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To Think Labour Didn't Loose

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CrossingTheAlpsInOtley · 13/12/2019 12:15

Momentum did!

This parasite cult looked around for a host party, chose Labour and ate it from the inside out.

Labour need to kick them out, exorcise them and then for the next election, Labour will be Labour, not a poor dying animal beaten down by a parasite.

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mummmy2017 · 13/12/2019 14:10

Witchend if they let you move in, Boris will be sharing your bed.
Now are you still sure, as the last person who tried to sneak into that bed just resigned.

ChristmasSpirtsOnTheRocksPleas · 13/12/2019 14:13

I agree, Labour is basically momentum at the moment.abour either needs to kick out momentum or the moderate members need to leave to form a centrist party.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 13/12/2019 14:15

Join the party so you can vote for the n txt leader.

It’s the only way.

Witchend · 13/12/2019 14:16

@mummmy2017 I've very rapidly changed my mind. Grin

mummmy2017 · 13/12/2019 14:18

You could have sat on Boris's lap for tea....

Jaxhog · 13/12/2019 14:31

The Labour party with Momentum running it is NOT the Labour party most traditional supports want. Ideology is all very well, but you need to get elected to implement it. They need to get that message - loud and clear.

Democracy isn't about ideology.

fridgegrazer · 13/12/2019 14:38

Maybe Labour can self ID as the winners?

Laughing at this despite myself!

LellyMcKelly · 13/12/2019 14:45

I’d have New Labour back too.

minmooch · 13/12/2019 17:06

Voters didn't trust Labour and voted otherwise. Simple.

Labour misjudged spectacularly what people wanted.

Quite frankly they were all abominable and I think most people voted for what they considered the least abominable party.

This is democracy. We hear what they all 'say' and vote accordingly.

Labour shot themselves in the foot. You can't blame anyone else. It was the people that voted.

Wellmet · 13/12/2019 17:42

I'm a labour supported but come on OP, you're embarrassing yourself. And all of us.

BubblesBuddy · 13/12/2019 18:00

Labour went too far left and people didn’t like Corbyn.

Momentum got lots of members in the Labour Party and took it over. There was an enormous recruitment campaign after Corbyn was seconded by idiot Margaret Beckett in the leadership election. That was the opportunity to rubbish Tony Blair and decide to be non electable with far too many left wing unaffordable policies. Too many people don’t want JC. The election post mortem will tell you it was Corbyn and unaffordable policies plus Brexit waffling that caused the problem. Labour were trying to hold on to leave constituencies but no one trusted labour.

For what it’s worth, Labour are correct about the need to protect rights of workers when we leave the EU but there are so many people, who don’t have a lot, are repeating the “get Brexit done” mantra without understanding what this really means.

HappydaysArehere · 13/12/2019 18:19

The hard Left has struggled for years to overtake the Labour Party. I remember Kinnock’s fight with David Hatton et al. They couldn’t believe their luck when a lot of young people believed that Corbyn would lead them to new sunny uplands. Once in they would never allow themselves to be shifted unless carried out kicking and screaming. Hence the apparent self delusion of a Corbyn and his cohorts when his toxicity became absolutely clear and led to a disastrous defeat.

noodlenosefraggle · 13/12/2019 18:30

The Tories share of the vote went up by 1%. Labours share of the vote dropped by 11%. They lost because of who they are. Not because people loved the tories so much more. They will blame everyone else- old people, the rich, the poor, northerners, msm, remainers, mps who didnt fall for the cult, everyone but themselves. Then they will lose again until they start looking at why people in places like Bolsover, Blaby and Sedgefield looked at Corbyn telling them the NHS was being sold to Trump and thought the Tories were a better option for the first time in generations.

tilder · 13/12/2019 18:34

Labour lost for 2 main reasons.

If you voted Brexit, and want Brexit as a priority, labour did not appeal.

If you are a moderats/centrist, then labour lost because of the manifesto.

Plus probably lots of other reasons. People have been saying labour under Corbyn is unelectable since Corbyn took over. Not sure why them losing came as a surprise.

Jas1985 · 14/12/2019 23:18

How many doors did you knock in this election OP? Momentum activists have been out in force leafleting, knocking on doors and campaigning across the country, not just for corbynite candidates but often for the same centrist MP's who are now smearing us as extremists.

I campaigned tirelessly for an MP who is now calling me and my friends a violent sect. They were blaming us before my coat had even dried (I got soaked chapping doors on polling night to get the vote out). We campaigned for all candidates because a Labour government is more important than factional infighting, and because the centre of the party were right a few months ago when they said the party should be a broad church. Apparently that broad church principle doesn't apply when they are presented with the opportunity to get rid of the hundreds of thousands of mostly young, energised left wing campaigners who have been inspired to get involved.

It was all smiles when we were turning up en masse to join her campaign. I won't name the MP, but she owes her seat to the efforts of the very same "momentum thugs" she's now quite happy to throw under the bus

Jas1985 · 14/12/2019 23:20

oh and FYI, in case you forgot Centrist MP's did leave and form their own party. Every last one of them just lost their seat. Funny that

mummmy2017 · 15/12/2019 00:32

The people who won Boris the election are not Tory's.
There are your ignored masses who you left with no political home.

noodlenosefraggle · 15/12/2019 08:59

If you are a moderats/centrist, then labour lost because of the manifesto.
Why would you then vote Tory? I am centrist. I voted Labour mainly for a referendum but I wasnt scared off by the manifesto because no one believed that manifesto was anything but fantasy. In order to facilitate such wide ranging reform of the economy you need a majority in Parliament, and a big one. And a strong, popular, charismatic leader. The reason why people ignored the manifesto (which had many excellent policies) was because theres no point voting for something that wasnt going to happen so you may as well vote for something that would happen -Brexit/referendum.

midnightmisssuki · 15/12/2019 09:10

Ha ha ha. Sorry dude - the lost astronomically. Like - in in one of the worst ways possible. Demolished.

Oblomov19 · 15/12/2019 09:13

Not lose? Eh? Wake up. Major failure.

I can't stand either party. I don't want to vote for anyone! Sad times! Sad

WobblyAllOver · 15/12/2019 09:16

I voted Labour mainly for a referendum but I wasnt scared off by the manifesto because no one believed that manifesto was anything but fantasy.

I don't understand this. The manifesto was terrible so why would I vote for a party that put fantasy stuff as policies it wanted to implement. If they can't get that right then they can't be trusted to run the country.

Saddler · 15/12/2019 09:22

You're right they didn't loose

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 15/12/2019 09:22

Tory voters gloating about child poverty and racism winning. Well done you must be proud.

Saddler · 15/12/2019 09:23

I can't believe this site isn't a subscription service, it is pure comedy gold at the moment

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 15/12/2019 09:29

Momentum are the equivalent of Militant back in the 80s and yes, they lost Labour any chance of election at a crucial time. They are a disaster.

Labour, however, should have grown a pair and either tossed them out or split after the 2017 disaster.