To think Boris' speech will upset the hard right?

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Just listening to Boris now, he seems very centralist. Could it be better than first thought?

Pritti Patel is another one who needs to go, she's utterly incompetent.

Boris seems to get the EU to listen, as he says do it or we will walk.
Things are changing, the EU won't like that.
The top people have changed there, so let's see.

He is actually a liberal conservative historically, he’s just also a self serving prick.

Will wait and watch.

Boris has no deeply-held convictions so will go for whatever is most expedient at the time/maximises his chances of retaining power.

So to be London Mayor, he was a metropolitan internationalist

To rise in the Conservatives, he was for Brexit

To be party leader, he went full on ERG, no deal Brexit

To win the election, he ditched no deal Brexit, ditched the red line of no border down the Irish Sea and accepted the EU’s opening offer which he sold as a victory. He then did not push the withdrawal deal through Parliament when he had the votes, so he could make it a Brexit election

The question now is, what form of Brexit will allow him to maintain power. The people of the midlands will not vote for him if he does a Trump Brexit and the car industries disappear. So my bet is that this time next year, he will ditch the ERG and sign up to something like a customs union/May’s deal

So my bet is that this time next year, he will ditch the ERG and sign up to something like a customs union/May’s deal

That would not surprise me one bit

@RancidOldHag No! Definitely left leaning, I was disappointed in the results but less scared after hearing Boris speak, his celebration speech included lots I agree with which are unlikely to sit well with the
hard right. However could be smoke and mirrors

I hope that having a decent majority means he can tell the ERG to bog off and also that some of his new MPs from un-affluent northern and Welsh constituencies won't support far right policies.

If he sacks Priti Patel and JRM in his reshuffle I will feel a bit more comfortable.

my bet is that this time next year, he will ditch the ERG and sign up to something like a customs union/May’s deal Lets hope!

I have said on here before that BJ is not hard right but noone listened. He isn't in the pay of the ERG anymore either. I feel tentatively quite positive.

If it furthers the benefits to Boris Johnson to be far right he will be far right. If it does so to be centrist, he will be centrist.

I dont want to sound rude but you're talking there a bit like politics is still 15 years ago imo Eyewhisker. Voters will do whatever the papers tell them to, nevermind actually thinking about industrial consequences in the midlands. Leaders also dont have to play careful games anymore with dealmaking, they can power through lying and causing scandal as long as it looks like 'our side is winning' to impress a narrow majority.

Agree with the other stuff you said though

I suggest that anyone who considers themselves a centrist joins the Conservative party and holds them to their promises. All the parties have been taken over by extremists and we need to pull things back to a position where politics can have a more unifying effect instead of polarising people.

This - £25 a year to stop the extremists seems like a bargain

I'm with BlaueLagune the cabinet choices will say a lot. Priti Patel and the "Britain unchained" crew just are very right of centre. Read a synopsis of Britain unchained if you don't believe me. If her and Raab are back in the fantasy of a benevolent Tory government that will invest and give a shit about all it citizens will be just that a fantasy....

boris hard right ? yeah, sure, so many pissed off people this morning they will still think the worst of us evil, murdering tories. [i haven't killed anyone yet, that may change as the day wears on though
i'm confident boris will get his teeth into the job in hand and sort thinks out.

I really do think a lot of people have completely misunderstood boris. Of course he says outrageous things, he never grew out of that phase but he’s clearly cut from a very different cloth than the far right. The man is interested in being prime minister and living a nice lifestyle (which requires a prosperous country). He’s really not ideological.

1.) He has a speechwriter, whose job it is to write things people will like.

2.) Nothing he says can be relied on.

Look how far the written off boy has gone.
Can you not see the people who voted Boris in to get the job done, have done so because of the gridlock created by the we know better brigade.

I'm not a Boris fan but I was impressed by his speech and the recognition that some of his votes are "borrowed". One of the many things I hate about the Lib Dems is that when voters vote tactically and they get a good result they claim it is because of their great policies and increasing popularity.
Boris should actually be thanking the extremely wealthy Gina Miller, right-on celebrities who tell us how to vote, John Bercow and all the tory defectors because there is nothing the British public likes less than being told what to do and he would never have got this majority if it wasn't for their shennanigans.

At least this means we are far more likely to get a BRINO than a hard or no deal Brexit.

Okay, it could be argued 'what's the point of that, effectively giving away any opportunity to make rules, but being forced to adhere to them?', but that's what the electorate apparently want.

Tbh who cares if he pisses off the hard right. There's not that many of them.
Most people in the uk are politically around the centre.

I hope he does move towards the centre tbh. I'd rather have a centre right PM than a far right one.

It is a pity that we, the workers, are going to lose so many hard won rights in order for Britain to 'prosper', for business owners to further enrich themselves, and that quite a few jobs will be lost, but it appears we're okay with that.

Sure, Britain's balance sheet will look healthy (given that the 50,000 nurses promises, among many, many more will already have been ditched, and given that the Tory manifesto remains uncosted ), but the already rich will become even richer, and you'll be on a zero hours contract.

But we're okay with that.

I can't join the Tories, guys. I'm sorry. I just can't do it.

Sigh. The Conservatives are not hard right, or even particularly right!