regardless of your politics, please watch this.

[rhubarbcrumbles]

No matter who you are going to vote for, this video is so important to watch - listen to the homeless young man at 2.48

It's disgusting, no matter which government we have, that this is happening in our country.

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Bumping this up as it needs to be seen

Thank you, it does. I can't really afford to donate to charity but I have just made a donation to a local homeless charity in the hope that it will help somebody out over Christmas.

Please watch it, ignore the political stuff if you want but please please listen to the homeless man at 2.48 into the video.

regardless of your politics, please watch this.

How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?

I agree that it's terrible that we have people on the streets and children without enough to eat and that something needs to be done about it. The problem is that this piece focuses on the extremes (which DO need addressing) and ignores the vast majority of the populous who are significantly closer to the centre.

If I thought that voting labour would solve homelessness, ensure a basic standard of living for all, close tax loopholes for large corporations and put the extra revenue into public services, I could be persuaded to vote for them.

That won't happen though. Even MORE wealth will leave the country as those corporations still paying their taxes will leave or exploit loopholes. Middle-income families will see an increase in taxation and small businesses and start-ups will be hit hard with an increase in corporation tax.

I can't see (although I may have missed it) how Labour plan to tackle homelessness. What I can see is that they are striving for 'equity' rather than 'equality' in employment (by increasing NMW and taxing mid-high earners) which I disagree with.

👍 I just rejoined to share that! Everyone must see it x

Do you earn £80K a year PBo? If so, do you really begrudge paying a small amount more tax to help people living in poverty? And do you honestly class yourself as a middle earner, knowing that you're in the top 5% of earnings?

I've not found one person who can tell me where all these corporations are going to go, when they realise that we will still have the lowest corporation tax in the G8.

You're basically saying that you won't vote Labour because fat cats will still try to play the system. So do you want a government that does everything it can to stop them doing so, or a government that actively encourages them to minimise their tax liability? Because that's the choice you have.

How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?

Because what happens at 2.48 is important regardless of the rest - skip the rest of it and just watch that few seconds, but please watch it.

**problem is that this piece focuses on the extremes (which DO need addressing) and ignores the vast majority of the populous who are significantly closer to the centre.

4.1 million children are living in poverty, that’s about 9 per class of 30 children.

Approx 320,000 people were homeless in 2018.

But hey let’s focus on the vast majority of people closer to the middle I assume you mean Middle class people in houses who’s children aren’t in poverty. @PBo83

I don't believe we'll ever end all homelessness, but our choices are one party that will proactively try to support people before they get to that point, or one that proactively takes measures to force people into poverty and destitution.

(Sorry rhubarb, didn't mean to detract. Just can't believe people are willing to turn a blind eye to what is happening in this country.)

Because what happens at 2.48 is important regardless of the rest

Completely agree with that (I did actually watch the whole thing as it happens). We shouldn't have so many people homeless in a country with such a (relatively) high standard of living.

If so, do you really begrudge paying a small amount more tax to help people living in poverty?

Obviously that's a loaded question to which the simple answer is 'No', I wouldn't begrudge paying a little more tax to help those in poverty HOWEVER:

• I wouldn't vote labour because I disagree with their spending plans as a whole
• It's important to understand the definition of the word 'poverty' (is it relative or abject?).

I want a fairer economy where those working get to keep more of what they earn and enterprise in encouraged. I am happy to support the welfare system (and think it is one of Britain's great assets) to protect the vulnerable but I disagree with Labours distribution of public funds.

one that proactively takes measures to force people into poverty and destitution.

Which proposed Tory policies will force people into destitution?

PBo83
Which proposed Tory policies will force people into destitution?

Universal Credit may not be paid to working parents in months that have 5 weeks in them.

Under 25's are not able to claim Housing Benefit even if they are care leavers.

There's 2 for you.

Ignore politics but watch this link from steptoe 😂 wrap up

“How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?”

This.

“How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?”

This.

RTFT. I've already answered that.

You did answer it (to an extent) and I'm sure everyone agrees that there should be more help for the homeless.

The fact that an unarguably sad situation is buried in 3 minutes of anti-Tory propaganda detracts from the point. If we compared side-by-side, Labour and Tory policies on homelessness then we could have a discussion.

Just showing some poor soul who's down on his luck and effectively saying 'A vote for the Conservatives means you don't care' is a tired argument.

How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?

What a surprise. Never saw that coming. How many threads are there currently with some version of I don’t really think Tory voters are evil but please can you watch this video of my Tory neighbor eating babies for breakfast and sallying forth to torture NHS employees?

“How can you say "regardless of your politics" and then link to a labour propaganda piece?”

This. Again and again.

Oh pack it in with the propaganda we're all pissed off with it now, yes we know there's an election tomorrow but this site has become plagued with endless tropes of baby eating torturers from all persuasions and it's becoming ridiculous so I think I'll just listen to some music instead

@PBo83 it’s not anti Tory it’s FACT.

it’s not anti Tory it’s FACT.

It's fact in so much that these are real people in real situations.

It's just carefully selected snippets of 'fact' presented chopped, edited and contextualised to make a point. Give me a few hours with Final Cut and I could do the same for ANY party and ANY person you wished to discredit.

Regardless of how it’s “cut” it’s real people real situations! As you said yourself.

Not sure how you could re-edit the homeless situation or child poverty situation to make it look good 10 years the government has had to improve things and it’s only got worse.

But please feel free to waste “a few hours” producing something that makes the homeless, child poverty, nhs, look like it’s in a better place than 10 years ago.

@PortiaCastis nobody’s making you read this thread

That wasn't my point.

Yes, more needs to be done to tackle homelessness but that point of the piece wasn't about homelessness it was purely an attack on the Tories using carefully-juxtaposed clips.

Nobody denies that there are people in poverty or people who are homeless but this is just Labour exploiting those for their own gain (with no mention of how they plan to address the issues).

effectively saying 'A vote for the Conservatives means you don't care' is a tired argument.

That's not what I said though.

If there is a pro-Tory/anti-Labour video out there which showed the same person saying the same things then I'd still have shared it. I'm a hard hearted person at the best of times but that young man saying what he said when he was nearly in tears nearly had me in tears.

@PBo83 the OP has highlighted this video to demonstrate the current situation. She has made clear there is no underlying political reasons. For you to instantly make it all about “anti Tory” says a lot about you.

Please feel free to share the Conservatives or any other parties policy’s on tackling the homeless situation and child poverty rather than accusing people who have feelings of being “anti Tory”.