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To remind you that a Tory majority could mean a No Deal brexit in 2020 and no one could stop it

76 replies

Songsofexperience · 11/12/2019 12:32

Just that.
The threat of no deal isn't dead.
For those who name it 'WTO terms' brexit: that particular organisation is under threat so not much hope there:
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/donald-trump-wto-rules-international-trade-war-china-a9238506.html

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Geminijes · 11/12/2019 13:42

I voted to leave so am voting Conservative tomorrow.

Mollychristmas · 11/12/2019 13:45

Those voting Tory won’t give two shiny shits how Brexit will affect those with less then them so quite honestly I don’t think your post will make the slightest bit of difference, it’s hardly going to make those too selfish to see how the Conservatives and Brexit are going to seriously damage already vulnerable people and families question themselves.

Songsofexperience · 11/12/2019 13:51

It's still worth pointing out, even if ultimately no one cares

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/12/2019 14:01

Those voting Tory won’t give two shiny shits how Brexit will affect those with less then them

those who vote labour dont give a shiny shit how the Jewish community are affected by JC.....

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:07

Those voting Tory won’t give two shiny shits how Brexit will affect those with less then them

As I Tory voter I DO care about taking care of the vulnerable in society.

What I don't agree with is merely taking more from those earning more and giving to those earning less (or those not earning at all). Nobody should be homeless/living in abject poverty but there should be reward for enterprise and social mobility for those who work for it.

ilovesooty · 11/12/2019 14:12

I'm assuming that people who plan to vote Conservative know this already. If that's what they plan to do and are aware of the consequences of their vote they're unlikely to change their minds.

Saddler · 11/12/2019 14:14

Thanks for clearing that up Op I thought that was generally understood

LaDilettante · 11/12/2019 14:16

PBo83 Because people who are disabled are not enterprising enough or don’t work hard enough?

People who have more sharing with people who have less or in other words the strongest protecting the most vulnerable is pretty basic stuff if you live in a society. Otherwise, by all means, go it alone and hope you’ll never go through a hardship like illness, loosing your job, bereavement etc... Bonus: you don’t have to pretend you care.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:22

PBo83 Because people who are disabled are not enterprising enough or don’t work hard enough?

I can't imagine there are (m)any Tory voters who object to paying to support disabled people which is exactly what I said in my post.

As I Tory voter I DO care about taking care of the vulnerable in society.

I am also happy to pay to help support those who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own.

People who have more sharing with people who have less or in other words the strongest protecting the most vulnerable is pretty basic stuff if you live in a society.

Again, I sort of agree but I still believe that equality is more important than equity. Social mobility is more important that just taking from those earning more and giving to those earning less.

noblegiraffe · 11/12/2019 14:28

It is a negotiating requirement. You can't take it off the table unless you want a shitty deal

We’ve got a shitty deal. Because of Boris’ self-imposed 31st Oct deadline he had to row back on a previous red line that he said no British government would ever allow and put a border in the Irish Sea.

Given that he has now self-imposed another deadline of the end of 2020, what concessions will he make to the EU to meet it?

TheABC · 11/12/2019 14:37

Look, if you want to vote Conservative and fuck over the country with Johnson's Brexit, be my guest.

At least have the balls to own it when the NHS is scrapped, farmers are on their knees and schools are closing. You know exactly what you are voting for.

LaDilettante · 11/12/2019 14:40

PBo83 How do you propose to look after the vulnerable if it’s not by paying taxes?

As for social mobility, it’s been virtually stagnant since 2014. Obviously working out well under a Tory government.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:40

when the NHS is scrapped, farmers are on their knees and schools are closing. You know exactly what you are voting for.

I must have missed that bit of the Conservative manifesto.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:43

How do you propose to look after the vulnerable if it’s not by paying taxes?

By paying taxes. Exactly that.

I don't object to paying taxes to help the vulnerable, I don't have a problem with the welfare system (as a concept at least, it's obviously flawed), I just feel Labour are edging too close to absolute socialism (in my opinion).

MrsMaiselsMuff · 11/12/2019 14:47

The EU have said they're amenable to negotiating a new deal with Labour, and when this was discussed (pre election) there was agreement with the general principles of such a deal (free trade, protection of workers rights and environmental standards).

Labour have said that 'no deal' will not be on the vote paper, it will be remain or leave on the agreed terms. There is no risk of a no deal Brexit with a Labour government.

What will leavers do if the vote doesn't go their way? Have a moan in Wetherspoons, maybe fight amongst themselves, and get on with life as before.

MrsMaiselsMuff · 11/12/2019 14:49

What is absolute socialism in your view PBo, as opposed to democratic socialism? What's wrong with countries like Finland and Denmark?

JeffreeStar · 11/12/2019 14:52

I’m voting conservative for a brexit of any kind, it needs to be done now.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:53

What's wrong with countries like Finland and Denmark?

Nothing is 'wrong' per-se but, personally, I don't believe it is the best system for the UK (doesn't mean I'm right, doesn't mean I'm wrong, it's just my opinion).

Iggly · 11/12/2019 14:56

It is a negotiating requirement. You can't take it off the table unless you want a shitty deal

How naive. Why do you think the EU - who are a bloc of countries - be that bothered if our tiny island wants to walk off with no deal?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/12/2019 14:57

What will leavers do if the vote doesn't go their way? Have a moan in Wetherspoons PATRONISING MUCH!

Mistlewoeandwhine · 11/12/2019 14:59

I’ve already (postal) voted Labour. A no deal Brexit is suicide - and it will actually kill people due to drug shortages, rising food prices etc.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 11/12/2019 14:59

Jeffree Star, you do realise that Brexit isn't something you can 'just get done'. Once an agreement is made, there will be years of protracted negotiations and uncertainty.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 14:59

What will leavers do if the vote doesn't go their way? Have a moan in Wetherspoons

Because remain voters took the result of the first (and what should have been only) referendum so well.

JacquesHammer · 11/12/2019 15:00

I would be better off financially under Conservative government.

Except morally I don’t agree. People who earn enough should pay more to assist our creaking public services.

I cannot vote for me (notwithstanding the fact my MP is a cunt) at the expense of the vulnerable.

PBo83 · 11/12/2019 15:05

Except morally I don’t agree. People who earn enough should pay more to assist our creaking public services.

We already have a tiered income tax system that means that people earning more do pay proportionally more towards public services.

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