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To be annoyed at people blaming the immigrants

31 replies

OhWellThatsJustGreat · 10/12/2019 22:58

Yet again today a family member, Big Big Brexit supporter, (sharing all he can true or false he doesn't seem to care) shared a post that "the NHS isn't failing because of the aging population, it's failing because of the immigrants using it"
Coincidently on my time line directly underneath was a post from our local hospital stating that waiting time in A&E is 6 hours, can people please check the care they require before turning up.

Would I be unreasonable to comment that his post is not explaining the cause of the NHS problems, there are many but the biggest is EVERYONE who chooses to misuse the service, for example the people with a potential break that can be seen and treated at our local minor injuries unit (less than 5 miles away AND has xray facilities)

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MistyCloud · 10/12/2019 23:01

YANBU.

People ringing 999/the ambulance 20 times a week.

Drug users.

People getting pissed and needing medical care.

Plus loads of other shyte.

Immigrants are to blame for very few problems in the UK.

fairynick · 10/12/2019 23:03

Or even better than blaming the odd misuser who may lose the nhs a couple of hundred pounds we could blame the Tory government for losing the nhs millions

AllergicToAMop · 10/12/2019 23:08

😂 Most immigrants I know fly back to their respective EU countries and pay for doctors there😂

MaintainTheMolehill · 10/12/2019 23:09

Without immigrants who work at the hospital as doctors, nurseries, cleaners, auxiliaries etc it would struggle more than it is now.
Without the tax of immigrants it would struggle more than it is now.
I can't believe there still people falling for the immigramt blaming smoke screen, including people who have voted in your poll!

MaintainTheMolehill · 10/12/2019 23:10

*nurses

nancy75 · 10/12/2019 23:10

The nhs would be fucked without immigration - how many non British born doctors & nurses are there?
Brexit just have a lot of people the opportunity to air their racist thoughts, sounds like your family member is one of those

Snowjive2 · 10/12/2019 23:14

Relax - as the Tory candidate for Croydon South said today, cancer patients don’t care about longer waiting times because survival rates are creeping up.

Unbelievable.

artio0 · 10/12/2019 23:15

That's what happens when newspapers aren't news but just the long propaganda arm of billionaires making sure the plebs have no idea what's going on. The fucking state of it..... Tell your relative to stop reading The Daily Mail and The Sun.

HeadLikeAFuckinOrange · 10/12/2019 23:17

At my own GP surgery, it takes 4-5wks to get an appointment, it's a conveyor belt system of 10min appointments when you do, and strictly one medical issue per visit when you do get an appointment. Yet there's still a huge sign above the Surgery entrance saying "We welcome new patients, collect an enrolling form today".

That's a major cause I think; people use hospital services unnecessarily because they simply cannot get a medical appointment with their own doctor.

SarahTancredi · 10/12/2019 23:19

Yanbu

Without immigrants wed have no staff at said hospitals.

AgeShallNotWitherHer · 10/12/2019 23:25

Goady post. No-one is going to say YABU - because that would mean they were racist - and no-one wants to be tarred with that brush.

The question of immigration is complex, and not simply a race issue. (You seem to forget that many Brits are not white and that a great number of immigrants are in fact white - especially from the EU).

The question of your unpleasant family is different again. You have painted them in such a bad light that no-one is likely to suggest inviting them over for dinner and a friendly exchange of views.

All that is left is to virtue signal. YANBU Halo

Doubletrouble99 · 10/12/2019 23:34

Your relative is just ignorant. I am a leave voter but I'm not against immigration, I'm against FOM. In that I feel everyone, from where ever they come should be able to come here if we need their skills or labour. So generally I'm in favour of the Australian points system but I also think we need a new system for agricultural labour and other areas that depend on immigrant labour at the moment.

Thestaffarealwayswrong · 10/12/2019 23:43

Yes, many people I know can't see past immigration and Brexit. It's almost like the election is just about Brexit tbh. And a lot seem to think Brexit will wave a magic wand and suddenly with fewer immigrants, the country will be awash with money for services. So they're voting based purely on that - while moaning they can't get a gp appointment, or about hospital waiting times. Got a lot in my family in the NHS and some of their stories are very worrying.
And I live in an area that doesn't have a lot of local immigration, it's not very multicultural at all - yet the immigrants are to blame for everything that goes wrong. I think it'll probably end up being a Tory government again, and a hard Brexit, and in 10 years time when things haven't improved I wonder what they'll blame then.

willstarttomorrow · 10/12/2019 23:50

As already posted, the NHS has been reliant on immigration for years. I have not worked in the NHS for over a decade, so long before the hatred whipped up by Brexit, but even then a number of qualified staff (nurses and doctors) were trained outside of the UK by developing nations at their expense and propped up the system. My grandmother's care home provided incredible care and day to day this was down to a huge number of care assistants from the former Eastern block working for the minimum wage. Many had worked in the sector at home and were amazed that in the UK there are no basic requirements to work with vulnerable people as they would have had to have had some level of diploma at home.
Of course all these hard working, tax paying, mainly healthy people are a major drain on resources. Let's swap them for all the UK pensioners who have retired to Spain, Portugal etc and are up in arms that their pound does not go as far now and will no longer be entitled to access health care in the EU.

willstarttomorrow · 10/12/2019 23:55

And of course all those minimum wage jobs will be filled because there are a huge number of UK nationals wanting to pick vegatables or wipe arses despite being worse off, having no affordable child care or not actually being able to afford to work a zero hours contract.

BitOfFun · 10/12/2019 23:57

I've just seen someone moaning on a local Facebook group about two "Spanish-looking ladies" not picking up their dog's poo in the street. It gave me visions of them dancing a Flamenco around it. Just WHY?!

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OhWellThatsJustGreat · 11/12/2019 00:31

@AgeShallNotWitherHer it not a goady thread, but if you see it that way, it was unintentional. I was simply asking is it worth telling him what he has shared is incorrect.

Telling me I'm being unreasonable wouldn't show anyone as racist, it would tell me they think I should let him get on with it and not enter into the discussion with him.

I wasn't painting my family (who are in fact a really nice, albeit rather crazy bunch of people) as you put it, in a nasty light, for one, it's only one person not my entire family, just saying he is pro brexit and shares everything that is that way inclined, without thought of it being fact or fabrication.

Not once did I discuss it being a race issue or mention skin colour, why does that matter? My thread is about NHS use, but sure if you like...

I wasn't looking for virtue signalling but thanks all the same.

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Savingshoes · 11/12/2019 00:52

Would I be unreasonable to comment that his post
Yes, don't argue with stupid, it never bodes well.
Just let him have his 15 minutes of fame, everyone knows the reality and are simply eye rolling at his comment/status.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 11/12/2019 01:01

&At my own GP surgery, it takes 4-5wks to get an appointment, it's a conveyor belt system of 10min appointments when you do, and strictly one medical issue per visit when you do get an appointment.*

Mine isn't quite that long to wait but it's a nightmare getting one and I live in a town that has almost no immigrants - apart from the medical staff Wink).

Mimishimi · 11/12/2019 09:48

Yeah, sheesh, all those immigrant doctors and nurses

TabbyMumz · 11/12/2019 10:01

"Local minor injuries unit (less than 5 miles away AND has xray facilities)"
Most local minor injury units with x xray facilities close early evening, hence people then having to go to a and e. Our local xray unit closes at 5pm, the rest of the minor injury unit closes at 7pm.

TabbyMumz · 11/12/2019 10:03

Plus..they are usually staffed by nurses, not doctors, so if your injury requires a doctor, you have to go to a and e anyway. In our nearest a and e, it takes an hour to get triage, then a 7 hour wait.

TroysMammy · 11/12/2019 10:06

I see more of the British born patients, who are elderly, than younger immigrants in the surgery I work in.

PlanDeRaccordement · 11/12/2019 10:35

I voted YABU only because I disagree that misuse by people is the cause of the NHS failures. It’s lack of funding. Compare the NHS with any other universal healthcare system and the U.K. spends the least money per capita, has the lowest doctor and nurse to patient ratios, the fewest hospital beds per capita, the lowest number of diagnostic tools (x rays, MRIs, sonograms, etc) per capita. The NHS is a fantastic system it’s only failure is that it is being funded to serve a population of only 50 million.
The misuse rate is actually less than what other universal healthcare systems see. Blaming misusers is like saying the benefits system funding problems are all down to scroungers- people fraudulently claiming benefits.

Muminabun · 11/12/2019 10:52

The NHS has very poor gatekeeping to frontline services which allows it to be misused. I recently took a friend to A&E and about 90% of patients were I would say in their 90’s. I was shocked at the problem of the health issues of the older population and saw for myself the issue.