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AIBU - different backgrounds impacting relationship

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Bubbletrouble007 · 04/12/2019 14:33

Hi all,

I'm think is in an AIBU. I know I might get flamed for talking about class or backgrounds but please bear with me.

I have been with my partner for 2 years, we live together and overall I am very happy. He is the love of my life and I've not felt this way with anyone before... but there are a few niggles that I can't seem to get past. I have tried to reason things in my head but not sure if I am being unreasonable and seeking 'perfection' or they are just normal niggles and I'm being picky / pedantic.

My partner and I come from very different backgrounds. I know this shouldn't make a difference and love is love, but I question whether some of these niggles are normal and are outside my comfort zone or whether they are red flags / niggles.

Just as a bit of context, I come from a very average family was the first to attend university and now have a professional well-paid role. I have funded my own lifestyle and very much 'save for a rainy day's person (I think due to years of being on my own and being the only person I can rely on) I wouldn't say I am tight, but try to avoid unnecessary expense or waste.

My partner comes from a very privileged background, only has to ask and he will receive. I wouldn't say spoilt, but expects the best of that makes sense.

I am the breadwinner in the family and manage the household. I have sat down and tried to teach him re bills and budgets etc. but he just cant seem to grasp that budgets exist etc. For example, let's have the heating on 24 hours a day (even though we both work FT), whereas I argue it's a waste of money and energy.

We have a joint account for Bill's but general expenses are our own. Neither of us are in debt but saving hard for a wedding and larger home. I sometimes feel like i am the only one cutting back on things or actively making an effort.

Anyway a few of the niggles are below

  1. Alcohol content - every meal with his family involves FIL opening a bottle of champagne. At our home, he has to open a bottle of wine with every meal. It could be fish and chips or a Sunday roast but there is always a glass or two on the go. There isn't a dependency but it's a treat (albeit daily).

I have cut my intake down considerably when we first spoke about saving money, as feel this would be a big saving and now I feel like I'm questioning whether alcohol is such a high part of his life or just a normal part of his upbringing. Think huge wine cellars in parents house etc. Different wines for different courses etc.

  1. Clothes - I've not bought new clothes for well over a year, but my OH will pop to John Lewis for a pack of new socks or underwear because all the others are in the laundry basket (clean but need to be put away - which I refuse to pick up after him) I feel frustrated about the waste but have to remind myself that it is his money.
  1. Wedding - I'd like a small do, family and few friends but his parents want a huge do and he feels we should accept their offer. I feel there are issues of control already and feel accepting this offer may just add to hostility. (For example, I was told that he is used to a certain lifestyle that needs to be maintained when we moved in together.... I am clearly not what they expected him to be with).
  1. Lunch - I take a packed lunch to work every day to save money, whereas he will drive 15 mins to M and S to get a sandwich (also petrol costs)
  1. Gifts - his parents continue to splurge on all children (all 30s plus) and he regularly comes home with new gifts. He admits he doesnt want them or like items but doesnt want to rock the boat. However, I feel there is no value in anything. He has two bags of gifts still in the boot of his car from 2 months ago as he isn't overly fussed by them. I have bought him gifts for anniversaries and birthdays etc but he doesnt know where they are. The lack of value and respect really hurts me .

There are probably other examples I can think of, but wonder whether I am too tight and set in my ways and these niggles are just going to get bigger or I need to accept our different upbringing and that this type of behaviour is completely normal.

I guess its AIBU - this is normal and just a clash of backgrounds or YANBU - these niggles are red flags.

As I said overall I am very happy and we get on so well. He is very down to earth and is a wonderful partner. I'm just confused and frustrated that I'm the one who see's money as not a never ending pit!

Thanks

OP posts:
sweeneytoddsrazor · 04/12/2019 18:16

@VaguelySensible the same could be said of the OP in that she isnt prepared to see it from his POV either. There is a huge disparity in the amount they save. Therefore they need to sit down and discuss how much they are both willing to save.
I wouldn't be buying socks because I cba to get them out of the clean laundry, but neither would I deny myself a lunch or new clothes in order to save £700 a month.

billy1966 · 04/12/2019 19:15

OP, the differences you describe are massive within a relationship.

You earn 4,000 more than him now with good prospects.
He will not increase his earnings much.
You will be bankrolling him, all the time with his parents thinking you are a lucky little gold digger.

You are the sensible one and you are "financial mother" to him while he fritters his money away.

I have a friend like this. She never spends 5p on herself despite a great well paid career because her twat of a husband spends money like water regularly.

She never got to reduce her hours when her children were young.

She should have been able to retire early without a mortgage but is still working and paying off the mortgage top-ups.
Her children love him but he is a waster and I know she doesn't have any respect for him.

He deliberately never progressed his career as he liked to sail etc and he needed time off for hobbies.
A waster that she has bankrolled.
Not fun.

What you have described, I would run for.

Your niggles are huge. You are going to be working all hours to bankroll his "keeping up appearances".

Is that really what you want for your future?

Albaalba · 04/12/2019 20:14

I've had a similar experience, though thankfully DH is more down to earth than you and there's a strain of tightness which runs through the family, although it applies to very specific things.

I'm from a standard middly-middle class background, DH is from old money (manor house, multiple holiday houses etc), objectively rich but not super-rich oil baron types. Luckily DH has a well paid professional job and I'm reasonably paid, he also loves a nice excel spreadsheet, so a bit easier to deal with than your partner.

  1. Alcohol content - I don't think this is unusual in these types of families, and doesn't imply an alcohol dependency issue. In-laws always have multiple different wines for a meal (lunch and dinner), and buy cases and cases of champagne every year, drinking it on the slightest pretext, daily at times. They don't drink to excess though, I've never seen anyone tipsy/drunk outside student parties or, possibly, a wedding. Pre-children we were probably similar, but we don't drink regularly now, though we do have a lot of champagne cases.
  1. Clothes -
Your problem here is at least in part his refusal to put things away. I do know DH's cousins like this, they're just accustomed to it, thankfully DH's mother had more sense and brought them up to be more self-sufficient. I know grown adults who, when they go home, their old nanny (still living there) still sugars their cereal at breakfast and stirs it for them! If you can agree how much to save monthly (and make sure you can see he is) then he should be able to do what he wants with his spending money. He might soon realise that buying new socks means cutting back on his lunches, and cut his cloth accordingly. Luckily my DH wears clothes until threadbare, and is tight on some purchases but then splurges on some things and spends a lot on his hobbies. I have never unravelled the secret rules of what they are all tight about, and what is ok. DH has certain expectations of standards of basic living, but is aware enough of money to be horrified by the cost of achieving those things, so tends to be very tight on those things, whilst spending happily on luxury items.
  1. Wedding -
We had a similar issue., I really wanted a small wedding. We let his parents pay for most of it, and it was large and at the higher end of costs. A certain type of wedding is 'expected' and it was important to the in-laws to reciprocate the many invitations they receive. A small discreet wedding would have signalled a relationship that wasn't approved of/wanted to hide, and as I was not known in his circles, the signal it sent out was important. Apparently. However, in-laws are pretty tactful, and so the day's details were left up to us. They controlled the lion's share of the invitations, and family expectation controlled some aspects of the day, but we were able to mix it up a bit. Are there any issues in your case re: showing his circles it's a proper marriage/reciprocation given you are not what they were expecting? How controlling are they generally? If you think they're going to be controlling every detail - dress, menu, venue etc giving you little say, then you'd be wise to go for the smaller one, and perhaps they could host a larger party for their own crowd? We did the latter as there just wasn't space for all the people they needed to invite.

His family's attitude to you does sound problematic; I'm sure I'm not what my in-laws expected but they're managing and are lovely to me. Firstly I'd make sure, crass though it is, that they know you earn more. Then tell them frankly if he wants that lifestyle, he's going to have to change career to get it. What are his 'expectations' (trust funds, inheritance etc)? If they're likely to be helping you with large deposits for house, school fees and uni etc, then that does mean your salaries go a lot lot further, so if that's the case, his lifestyle might be ok in the long run. Make sure you protect yourself though, make sure you've always got enough to get out if need be. Would there be a pre-nup?

  1. Lunch - He sounds a bit boring if his idea of the high life is an M&S sandwich, I was expecting lunches at the Ivy! But I get your point. I think the personal spending allowance monthly, after savings set aside, might help you here. DH used to dry clean his bloody sheets, but I soon stopped that.
  1. Gifts - I don't have to deal with that, as in-laws are pretty low key (aside from certain absolutely necessary expenditures such as yachts, skis, champagne etc). Maybe you could sell them and make some extra income that way? His attitude to gifts from you is a greater issue.

Some of this behaviour is normal for the upbringing, and might anyway adjust over time, especially if his personal spending money is restricted and he has to make it go further. His attitudes may shift over time as my DH's have. Sometimes he just needs things explaining. My DH does sound more open to reason than yours (though if we had a more limited income I'm sure he'd be kicking up a fuss about the lack of ski holidays, less than top quality food etc). DH is hilariously tight about paying for hotels, because 'surely we know someone with a holiday house there'.

I think the main thing to establish is whether his parents are likely to bankroll not just your wedding but also school fees, house etc. Then decide whether they're likely to interfere and whether that's important or not. Then figure out whether, with those costs potentially covered, you could loosen the purse strings a little.

I don't know how much was helpful there, but I do know the weird puzzlement about how such families prioritise their spending, and seem cut off from reality. If my DH had been exactly like yours, not appreciating gifts, not even trying to understanding expenditure/income etc, then I'd have had concerns about marrying him.

Wallywobbles · 04/12/2019 20:41

We share bills but not food. We have a joint account that covers said bills. We have DCs each so split this part proportionally I have a higher very irregular income and i do all the food shopping because I don't want to compromise. I pay for holidays too. These are my choices and when we got together I said to DH not to try and keep up.

DH is amazing and saves us a fortune by being competent in everything practical. I very rarely feel that it's unfair.

He is by nature a saver and has to bail me out when we had a huge building project that ran over budget but was cheaper than doing it in 2 parts.

So I'm really saying you need to take the food/clothes etc shopping out of the joint account. That's just for bills and standing orders. The things that don't vary much.

lanthanum · 04/12/2019 22:04

The big one that is not in your list, because it's not an issue at the moment, is children. At the moment you can both live within your means, but if you go on to have children, they're a big expense, especially if there's expectation of private school. Before you get to that, there's the issue of maternity leave and the associated fall in your income. He sounds like the sort of person who would expect to get a nanny rather than help you with childcare - you need support at that point. Then if you go back to work, there are the childcare costs (and lack of income if you don't). You have to be in it together, and you have to budget together. He will need to bear more of the costs if you take more time off work for children.

It might be that your inlaws would offer to pay school fees and things like that, but then there's the issue of control again (and you might prefer the local state school anyway).

(My FIL expects wine with every meal, but since we don't like it he usually brings his own!)

Fairycake2 · 04/12/2019 22:08

I'm sorry to say but these niggles will be the reasons why you break up in a few years

mikulkin · 08/12/2019 10:46

I think your problem is not different backgrounds but communication and planning together. My understanding is that once you agree on something he does it. For example he contributes equally to bills.

If you both decided to save for wedding you should have agreed how much you each save every month and put it in joint account. If you didn’t agree on the amount of regular saving you can’t be disappointed he spends it. Have you agreed that you self fund your wedding or is that just your decision? If not agreed together of course he counts on his parents, why shouldn’t he?

So you really need to communicate and agree together on future plans rather than you wanting him to change to yours.

I am probably somewhere in between of two of you. I wouldn’t buy extra clothes because I am too lazy to put away laundry, but I am lazy to do prepacked lunch every day and frankly I would want something nicer now and then. I wouldn’t open wine every day with dinner but now and then I would want to have a glass of wine with food and if my partner would have been annoyed with me because I need to save and not have a glass of wine I would find it strange. I don’t like wasting money but I do believe life is short and you need to enjoy it and not only save.
So why don’t you guys talk and agree on how you as a couple plan to live, adjust to each other rather than you expecting him to adjust to you?

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