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To clarify exactly what a council house looks like

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Lifegoeson5 · 28/11/2019 22:50

So many posts about council housing and 'benefit scroungers' getting 'free' housing.
I pay £150 a week for this...

To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
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TrainspottingWelsh · 02/12/2019 21:54

helena get over yourself. I mentioned disability in regards to how much less power private tenants have to complain about bad landlords compared to social tenants. Hence finding it bizarre that your response was to bring up your dh's disability as though it somehow proved it's harder for social tenants.

Perhaps if you'd actually read my posts properly, instead of looking for things to froth about and fuel your pathetic insults you'd have noticed that.

haud yes, and you've managed to type your own experience and thoughts in a rational and logical manner, rather than trawling the internet for irrelevant essays to copy and paste.

It isn't just bashing council housing, imo it's bashing council tenants because it suggests they generally cba cleaning, when of course that's not true.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 21:58

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helena get over yourself. I mentioned disability in regards to how much less power private tenants have to complain about bad landlords compared to social tenants.

Id actually say its about the same.

PixieDustt · 02/12/2019 22:00

I agree with @TrainspottingWelsh some landlords can be arsey and can throw you out within x amount of months for no real reason.
Where as if you are a social housing tenant you're more secure especially if you want to complain

Chancey1982 · 02/12/2019 22:39

I'd say normal. Mine was absolutely disgusting when we moved in. I've spent a lot of time and money on it. Open windows 10 minutes in morning and at night. Keep vents open, wipe condensation off in morning. Don't dry washing inside. Use mould spray once a month. Keep house heated. Keep on top of it or it spreads fast.

TrainspottingWelsh · 02/12/2019 22:50

Well, you'd be wrong then helena

Individual private landlords don't have the same quantities of tenants as social, so there's not the same power of numbers to jointly complain, or draw attention to, bad landlords.

Secondly, in all your extensive range of c&p social housing problems, you'll have noticed that none of the housing associations silenced the complainant by threatening, or carrying through a massive rent hike for that tenant alone just to shut them up. Nor do social housing have the power to simply evict a complaining tenant for no reason, unlike private.

Thirdly, even if social really fuck up, they have a legal duty to offer alternative accommodation. Unlike private, when even if the police and environmental health tackle the landlord, the tenant is left to find their own private accommodation and deposit, or present as homeless.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 22:54

Im very glad to hear that HAs dont try to silence tenants Welsh

I am converted. Excellent news.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 22:57

#toryglen

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 23:27

www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/17862242.scandal-thistle-housing-association-toryglen/?ref=twtrec

Evening TimesThe scandal of housing association in Toryglen - and the residents who unmasked it

al of housing association in Toryglen - and the residents who unmasked it

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IN my time at the Evening Times I've come across a lot of angry people who want their stories told in the paper to try to mobile the authorities into some kind of action.

Fury can sometimes lead to people exaggerating issues or embellishing the truth a little bit. When Ian Paterson and David Crockwell first invited me out to Toryglen to see the work being carried out by E-on and Thistle Housing Association, the story sounded a little far fetched.

A 14-week energy upgrade programme running 191 days late? Raw sewage coming in to people's homes?

Faulty rough casting, scaffolding blocking the main doors of resident's flats, blue plastic covering the windows of people's homes and leaving them literally in the dark for five months?

Surely no tradesmen could make so many errors and no site foreman could allow all this to be happening on such a grand scale?

A walk round the area showed fault after fault with the so-called upgrade works to these homes.

And how many homes were affected? Well, around 600
Even at this point - February 2017 - this was a scandal. As Ian and David walked round the community with the photographer and I, people were coming out of their homes to talk to me about their stories. It's usually a case of knocking doors and persuading people to talk but by the end of the visit I had more stories than I could possibly use.

A woman in a wheelchair who was trapped in her home by the scaffolding blocking her front door.

Another woman who said a heavy piece of masonry fell from scaffolding above and smashed through the decking of her patio. She was just grateful she hadn't been sitting outdoors at the time.

A man who came home to find two workmen having a stand up fight in his front garden, necessitating a call to the police. A couple whose home needed roughcasting four times before it was to a decent standard.

At the same home repairs had to be made when the flue from their boiler was sealed in by workmen, causing a potential hazard.

And this all using public money, cash from Glasgow City Council and the Scottish Government.

One month after the initial story appeared, E-on admitted it had "let the residents of Toryglen down".

The energy firm said it was renowned for its award-winning work in delivering these type of energy upgrade projects and pledged to have the work done as quickly as possible.
Meanwhile, it was nigh-on impossible to get Thistle HA on the phone... until the association hired a PR team to deal with press enquiries. We're now nearly two-and-a-half years on from that initial story and I'm still writing about Thistle Housing Association

And the reason I'm still writing about Thistle HA is down to the dogged determination of Ian and David.

They have phoned up with some pretty outlandish claims in the past two years - the chimneys are all unsound? But that would be dangerous, surely that would be dealt with immediately? And then two chimney coping stones fell from roofs.

Thistle HA knows about asbestos in the roof spaces of the flats? And isn't dealing with it effectively? Surely not.

Ah, and now the Health & Safety Executive is dealing with asbestos issues at the flats.

No matter what the two men have claimed is happening with housing bosses in their community, they've turned out to be correct
Last year the Scottish Housing Regulator began an investigation into Thistle HA and the results were damning. Additional staff were parachuted in to help support the housing association to improve.

One year on and a follow up report last week by the watchdog raises even more serious concerns. It remains to be seen what will happen next. It would be an amazing feat if the association can repair the damage done in its relationship with its residents.

And does the association have the skills it needs to repair what is a serious raft of failings? Or will it ultimately be best to transfer its assets over to a larger body, such as GHA

Residents are fed up waiting. But what is also important is to acknowledge the work of local champions. Without people like Ian and David, people willing to stick their heads above the parapet and to keep pushing for what they know is right, it's unlikely any of this would have been made public.

So here's to local champions. And here's hoping residents have the answers they need and the work on their homes properly completed as soon as possible.

TrainspottingWelsh · 02/12/2019 23:28

Funny, you don't seem to have library stock to c&p demonstrating those common tactics in private also being used effectively in social housing. Just another reply where you respond to something I haven't said.

Yes, because of course pointing out that lower income private tenants are currently getting the worst deal and in the most precarious housing situation must indicate I'm a Tory wanker, rather than a labour wanker.

zsazsajuju · 02/12/2019 23:47

Lol - Helenadove feels hard done by because she lives in social housing because she didn’t grow up in it. She thinks it’s beneath her.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 23:50

Im not disagreeing with you Welsh Private tenants get a shit shit deal. And yes i know you are Labour all right.

During the 2015 election Labour ran a petition to try and make things better for private tenants Great idea It didnt include SH tenants but fine. Except a different tune got played post Grenfell when it was realised that private tenants had the flammable cladding too. Then all of a sudden private tenants wanted support from SH campaign groups. One of which i help to run. This thread has made me wonder what some say behind our backs tbh. But to quote Al Pacino from Sea of Love "come the wet ass hour we were their daddy"

And its well known that RBKC DID try to silence the Grenfell residents with lawyers letters pre fire when they raised concerns about workmanship.

Here is another example from elsewhere

www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15919667.toryglen-saga-resident-calls-thistle-ha-for-repairs-and-gets-police-visit-instead/

Welsh Thank You Thanks Your comments have given me a lot to think about when it comes to whether to continue things as a joint effort within group. If its divide and rule that is wanted.....so be it.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 23:57

Fuck off zsa I dont think its beneath me at all. Ive never wanted a mortgage .

Your comments on this thread were derogatory towards tenants Some of these tenants were ex Grenfell residents

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3702945-Gardens-not-accessible-to-social-tenants

I suppose you are now going to accuse me of stalking your post when ive bee on the same threads so i remember them anyway.

Like you have in the past.

HeIenaDove · 03/12/2019 00:01

@Jux @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

TrainspottingWelsh · 03/12/2019 00:11

Labour had no more intentions of improving things for private tenants than the tories do.

You're proving my point though, private tenants don't have the same power to complain as social tenants so of course they would have needed to join with a larger, more influential and less vulnerable group to campaign.

Bringing grenfell into it is very distasteful imo. The cladding was just as deadly for the private tenants in there.

Otherwise I have no idea what you are banging on about, I await with baited breath for the next illuminating c&p.

HeIenaDove · 03/12/2019 00:19

That cladding affects more than just tenants Its on hospitals and schools.

And as for distasteful i had a private tenant point out to me that they had paid for the cladding And then he said "at least SH tenants got it for free"

HeIenaDove · 03/12/2019 00:20

@DoctorTwo

doorbellringer · 03/12/2019 00:24

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doorbellringer · 03/12/2019 00:25

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JoGose · 03/12/2019 00:28

That’s normal to me, mine was in that state when I got it. I’ve spent a lot of time having to work on it

HeIenaDove · 03/12/2019 00:29

YY JoGose Me too

HeIenaDove · 03/12/2019 00:33

We were renting off a private landlord from mid 92 to late 94 So i have rented privately too although a long time ago. It was a bedsit flat with a kitchen and bathroom. To get electric we put 50p coins in a meter.

TheCountessatHotelCortez · 03/12/2019 13:19

I recently got a HA property in one of the rural areas I had chosen, only 2 properties here and yes it needs decorating buts it’s in good condition otherwise well insulated, new gas boiler etc and they are in the middle of doing new rough casting etc. I am in Scotland though and my area, unless is the big towns etc, doesn’t have lots on waiting lists for rural areas but when someone does get one they stay so it can take a while to get those areas.

Both me and DH work in good jobs so definitely not a case of needing to be on benefits to get one around here and we waited a long time in extortionate private rentals for this house and both of those private let’s were damp, mouldy, leaking roofs and boilers etc. Landlords not interested just wanted to do patch jobs and never felt secure. I finally feel I can call this house our home now that we have a secure tenancy and are allowed to do it up as we like.

Surely if any plastering needs done the council will repair? We asked if we could remove the woodchip in the hallway and they had no issues with this and just to let them know if any plaster repairs were needed, otherwise we will just polyfilla any bits that need it.

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