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To clarify exactly what a council house looks like

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Lifegoeson5 · 28/11/2019 22:50

So many posts about council housing and 'benefit scroungers' getting 'free' housing.
I pay £150 a week for this...

To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
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Pipandmum · 01/12/2019 22:06

I bought an ex council house and my neighbour was a council tenant. She decorated the house and maintained it. Only involved council for major repairs. It is a lovely estate with lots of green space. Only issue is the houses are really small but she managed to raise five kids there.

RollOnNextYear · 01/12/2019 22:09

I've just given up a LA place to go private as needed space.
It wasn't like that at all. Because I looked after it. The bathroom had poor ventilation the extractor was crap so I took steps to deal with it and get it normal
I regret it so much but had no choice.. You have the opportunity to make it your own and nice. And can be done cheaply.

TrainspottingWelsh · 01/12/2019 22:16

I have no idea what your dh being disabled has to do with my question. Nor why you assume I have a problem with social tenants. Or why your posting history is relevant. Or why you are copying & pasting random irrelevant paragraphs about social housing. Or why you are replying as though I've said the sh sector is wonderful and doesn't have any problems.

As you've now changed your mind and said they get the same deal, I'll rephrase my question.

'If social and private tenants are getting the same deal, why does most of the country have long waiting lists for social housing?'

LakieLady · 01/12/2019 22:20

Then there is Habinteg A housing association that provides accessible housing. Ive heard good things about them

I got a client moved into a Habinetg property. They were fantastic. The adaptations were totally tailored to the client's needs, unlike the council here, who just seem to think "disabled tenant: wide doors and a wet room".

A client who'd moved into an adapted council newbuild was housebound for 6+ months, because they had upper limb issues and couldn't open any of the doors.

whattodo2019 · 01/12/2019 22:20

Why don't you pay for the repairs yourself, repaint and carpet etc

BlueBirdGreenFence · 01/12/2019 22:31

I wasnt comparing I was trying to point out that ALL tenures have the same problem. No matter who you are renting from

Yes except if you complain about SH, they're not likely to randomly give you notice to leave and steal your £1000 deposit over made up nonsense that has NEVER been mentioned at any of the quarterlyy inspections. And it is much cheaper.

x2boys · 01/12/2019 23:05

Have you not read the thread @BlueBirdGreenFence?Because it's been pointed out several times now that social housing is not necessarily cheaper than private rent I live in a town in he North West and my rent is comparable to private rent.

HeIenaDove · 01/12/2019 23:39

Gaslighting? ffs, victim complex much.

Your posting history is full of social housing complaints, I know. What I'm asking is what grounds do you have to continue with the fallacy that the tenants are getting a worse deal than their counterparts in private?

You're aware that disabled Joe Bloggs, low income Jane and Bill the carer are too frightened of eviction to complain about their ll, Mr btl get rich quick and even if all three are aware of each other they don't have the same power as a residents association

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I have no idea what your dh being disabled has to do with my question Nor why you assume I have a problem with social tenants. Or why your posting history is relevant. Or why you are copying & pasting random irrelevant paragraphs about social housing. Or why you are replying as though I've said the sh sector is wonderful and doesn't have any problems.

As you've now changed your mind and said they get the same deal, I'll rephrase my question.

'If social and private tenants are getting the same deal, why does most of the country have long waiting lists for social housing

HeIenaDove · 01/12/2019 23:50

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HelenaDove Sun 17-Nov-19 18:36:22
17.11.2019
It’s Time to Be Honest about Housing
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For decades terms like 'affordable,' 'social,' 'mixed' have been used as cover for market failures in housing - it's time to move on from those schemes and commit to a real solution: council housing.

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When it comes to housing, language matters. Politicians, bureaucrats, big business and self-appointed experts have become well-versed in using words that convey one thing, but mean another. This doublespeak has been deliberately used to underpin a particular policy approach which, at root, favours the failed capitalist market over socialist alternatives.

But whatever the political outlook, there’s no denying we have an acute housing emergency. As we approach a general election in which tackling the crisis will be a vital issue, it’s imperative to challenge and change the misleading terminology that’s been used as cover for policies that are causing huge damage to working class communities – and in some places, the reputation of the Labour Party.

If you want to get a laugh out of someone eager to hop on the housing ladder, say “affordable housing” – because most people know how little it means. The abuse of the term began in 2010 when the Tory-led coalition government defined affordable rent as anything up to 80% of the full market level. This opened a door, which was already ajar, for private developers to get planning permission while purporting to provide affordable homes, but at prices well beyond the means of most people and bearing no relationship to local housing need.

Another discredited term is “social housing.” This has been used as a convenient catch-all to disguise important differences between different types of non-market rented homes.

The prime culprits for this deliberate distortion are Housing Associations (HAs), particularly the big ones who have become virtually indistinguishable from private developers. The origins of this charade was in the Blair-Brown era policy of stock transfer, which drove two million council homes – and the land they stand on – out of public ownership into the private sector, a bigger transfer of wealth than any of the Thatcher-era privatisations

This could usually only happen after tenants had voted in favour of the move. To persuade them, HAs needed to create the subterfuge that they were more or less the same as councils. They’re not. HAs are legally defined, constituted and operated as private businesses, and their tenants have significantly weaker legal rights and higher rents. Referring to HAs as “social landlords” providing “social housing” hides these facts

The next item in the linguistic three-card trick is “mixed communities.” This term has assumed sacred status in urban policy and government circles, without any evidence to support it. The concept is that bringing people from different socio-economic backgrounds together in one place produces multiple benefits. On its surface, that seems plausible.

But in practice, what might be a laudable aim is based on deception, hypocrisy and class prejudice. The reality of “mixed” housing developments is often physical separation by tenure, as graphically illustrated by Guardian journalist Harriet Grant’s exposure of the segregation of children’s play areas. Commonly, so called “mixed” housing means social renters in one building, private owners in another, where they enjoy better facilities and probably a better view.

The mixed mantra suggests it’s better for working class communities to have middle class people living with them, acting as role models and bringing trickle-down wealth and cultural diversity to an area, reflected in new shops and coffee bars. I once discussed this with a property developer, who worked for a HA. He said “we thought it was going to be better for the estate as a whole to have a Tesco there that didn’t sell out of date milk and the odd bottle of twenty year old Blue Nun… we’d have thought we’d arrived if there was a Starbucks there or a deli, as well as the pound shop.”

The prime targets for such social engineering are council estates subject to large scale “regeneration” projects, another word that’s become heavily loaded. Again, some of the responsibility for this lies with New Labour. In 1998, Tony Blair launched the New Deal for Communities at the Aylesbury estate in south London. Today, the area is testimony to how housing policies dominated by private developers have reshaped working class communities and the role of HAs in this

The Elephant and Castle neighbourhood is being physically, socially and ethnically transformed. This started with the demolition of the Heygate estate, a classic for stigmatised perceptions of council housing and the people who live in it. As the local 35% Campaign has meticulously documented, a succession of promises to Heygate residents were broken to arrive at a situation where 1,214 council homes were demolished, to be replaced with 2,704 new homes, of which only 82 (3%) are for social rent. The HA partner was London and Quadrant. To be eligible for the cheapest one-bedroom home built by them on the Heygate site, people needed a minimum household income of £57,500. The average household income in that part of Southwark is £24,324

There are numerous similar examples from other places around the country, where a seductive lexicon has been used to camouflage brutal profit-seeking and displacement At Labour’s 2017 conference, Jeremy Corbyn correctly referred to such practices as “social cleansing.” There is also a strong element of institutional racism in policies that favour better-off home owners and seek to recreate an area in their image – as James Baldwin bluntly put it, “urban renewal means negro removal.” But the other critical point about the policies that lie behind the words is that they don’t work! We’ve had over 20 years of the developer-led, public-private partnership model and the housing crisis has only got worse.

It is essential that the Labour Party breaks with the misleading, dishonest and failed housing policies of the past. The first step for doing this is restoring real council housing to the mainstream, as the centrepiece of a comprehensive rethink. The opportunity is there. Party conference has unanimously adopted a raft of transformative measures, including ending right-to-buy, improving rights for private tenants, using publicly-owned land to build publicly-owned homes and reforming HAs. They must be included in the election manifesto.

For too long, mealy-mouthed Labour politicians have seemed embarrassed by council housing. This has allowed the language of housing to be captured and twisted by corporate interests. Council housing cuts through the verbiage. Working class communities know what it means, how it works and why it’s important. Sometimes those qualities can be taken for granted, so it’s worth repeating them.

Only council housing offers genuinely affordable rents and secure tenancies that can form the foundation of people’s lives. Only council housing is directly linked to the democratic process. Decisions are taken in public, by elected politicians who can be voted out. Another linguistic distortion by hostile forces is that council housing is “subsidised,” when, in fact, it generates a net surplus and receives far less public money than the private market.

Council housing also has the capacity to link to wider social policy objectives, particularly around environmentalism. Climate change won’t be stopped through the individualism fostered by the ideology of private home ownership. Above all, council housing works because it’s not subject to the whims of the speculative property market.

It’s a supreme perversion of language that council housing is sometimes attacked because it provides “a home for life.” Labour needs to turn that around and say that’s exactly what we want

HeIenaDove · 01/12/2019 23:53

1,214 council homes were demolished, to be replaced with 2,704 new homes, of which only 82 (3%) are for social rent

So to answer your question less social homes available because they have been demolished and a lot less built with SOCIAL rent in their place.

TrainspottingWelsh · 02/12/2019 00:10

Thank you for your lucid and relevant answer, now you've demonstrated copy & paste yet again without answering the question I feel so much more informed.

Playing chess with a pigeon is a waste of time.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 01:22

Major regeneration has caused this problem in several places There is a shortage of social homes because many have been demolished without being replaced.

I could have put this explanation and just a link i suppose instead of all the copying and pasting but i doubted that you would have removed your finger from where you normally keep it to click on any link!

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 01:27

And you are a goady fucker YOU brought disabled tenants and THEN asked me what disability has to do with it.

WHY BRING IT UP THEN

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 02:37

steal your £1000 deposit over made up nonsense that has NEVER been mentioned at any of the quarterlyy inspections

THIS kind of shit needs to stop In this pre election period ive not heard much mention of housing in any tenure.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 02/12/2019 06:39

This is a result of massive underfunding by tory governments... Abd selling off of stock.

Anyone who is a council house tenant and vote Tory... You are a turkey voting for Christmas....

The Tories don't CARE about you.... Sad but true.

WorraLiberty · 02/12/2019 09:21

The fact that you have only posed the question to the social tenant tells me all i need to know.

Im not in London and have no desire to be.

Unless you've moved, you're in a London borough though and a much more affluent one than a lot of the neighbouring boroughs (like mine for example).

FabbyChix · 02/12/2019 09:29

Your just fix all that yourself my sister lives in a council house and has had this blue 25 years just had a new kitchen and bathroom

To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
To clarify exactly what a council house looks like
Orangerocks · 02/12/2019 09:46

FabbyChix I love that bathroom!

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/12/2019 13:36

TrainspottingWelsh

Helana is for we C&P anything to do with social housing posts, for every bad post she does I could contribute a good post.

My organisation had 1% of complaints against several thousands properties, just like any business/organisation/care provider... you get the good with the bad, and is the vast majority of cases The complaints are nothing compared to the good the housing sector brings tenants.

This here is all cosmetic none, and tbh a thread moaning for the sake of moaning.

Let’s bash council houses as I don’t want to put some elbow grease into cleaning the property Hmm or using a bit of filler Hmm for non essential repairs.

legalseagull · 02/12/2019 14:02

Clean your own windows? And open them to circulate fresh air. You can't expect everything on a plate. You have ridiculously cheap rent so do your own decorating and repairs.

Confusedbeetle · 02/12/2019 14:07

If you owned the house, what would you do to keep the mould at bay?
Better ventation and more heat. Dont dry clothes indoors, wipe any condensation every day, wash any mould with a weak bleach solution. Does that not also work in a council house?

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 14:36

My town where ive always lived in North Essex is not part of London. ( Unless yesterdays sonic boom shifted something so that Braintree is now a London borough) its where its always been.

And yes cleaning does help but that goes for outside too. We had a caretaker until 2011 when he got made redundant and the gutters havent been swept since. Service charge for it still applies though.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 15:12

I find it VERY interesting that none of those who work in housing has mentioned this.

www.cavitech-uk.com/blog/the-scandal-of-mis-sold-insulation/

It is often claimed that over 30% of heat from your home is lost through the walls. Cavity wall insulation is one of cheapest and most efficient ways stop this leakage. For years, it has been widely promoted as an easy and effective way to improve home energy efficiency and reduce bills.

Today, the mis-selling of retrofit cavity wall insulation is on the verge of becoming a scandal which will rival PPI.

How did this happen?

Energy companies, under increasing pressure to hit energy saving targets and backed by funding from the UK government, have pushed the benefits of cavity wall insulation hard over the last 20 years. The money saving benefits made it very popular with homeowners, many of whom were able to get it installed at no cost to themselves. Over 6 million UK homes now have it.

But, in their rush to go green, some householders are wondering whether they have actually gone too far. A growing number of people are discovering that their cavity insulation is actually making their home colder, damper, and less energy efficient than it was before.

The problem is that not all houses are suited to retrofit cavity wall insulation

If your house was built later than 1930, then it is likely that it was built with cavity walls. The cavity is there for a reason; it’s there to keep the inside of your home dry

Many homes are not naturally watertight. Bricks can become porous and absorb water, which enters through small cracks in the render or pointing, especially during periods of persistent, driving rain. The original purpose of cavity walls was to prevent the spread of damp from the outer walls to the inside of the house by the introduction of an air gap.

Cavity wall insulation, installed improperly or into an unsuitable building, fills the gap and provides a handy conduit for the water which then travels from the outer walls and through the increasingly wet insulation to the inside of the house. The insulation, designed to minimise air flow, never gets a chance to dry out and remains permanently sodden.

The problems caused by improperly fitted insulation can take years to become apparent. Issues such and mould and damp can impact interior décor and plaster, affect the health of the occupants, and actually increase energy bills. As this information has become more accessible online, homeOWNERS have turned to the Cavity Insulation Guarantee Agency (CIGA), the independent body who were meant to oversee and guarantee the work, to ask for a solution .
Will mis-selling of cavity wall insulation one day rival PPI, or the endowment scandal?

Perhaps.

The full scale of the issue is not yet known: estimates range from a conservative 12,000 to a possible 3,000,000 affected homes. But, with six million guarantees issued over the last 20 years, CIGA could find itself struggling to fix this.

Worried about your own insulation? Condensation, cold spots and damp patches are all indicators of damp insulation. If you are concerned and want more information you can call us on 01903 331 578 and we’ll be glad to talk you through your options.

Now that IS interesting. My parents house was built in 1968 and they have never had a problem despite always drying clothes indoors.

HeIenaDove · 02/12/2019 15:14

Home owners can turn to the CIGA while tenants get the blame.

ffswhatnext · 02/12/2019 15:32

Cavity wall insulation is a joke here. Was at mates a few weeks ago, they were having the annual gas safety check. Off comes the wooden box and behind it wall insulation. Friend new it was being done, just when it was done no consideration for what is behind the wall.

I moved here it was a dump. Not been cleaned or decorated in years. Nothing had been replaced for decades. I was skint. Took a long time to do it all. Learned some new skills along the way, Youtube is excellent for this. I can now plaster and wallpaper, not to professional standards, but affordable standards. Each room I did you could see the improvements. I learned how to saw, plumb in a washer etc.

Still, stuff to do. Although I'm still waiting for the windows to be fixed (don't close properly and some wont open). Damp to deal with and other stuff. I think fuck it, could be worse, we could be homeless.