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To think David Pemsel's accuser was leading him on?

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caperberries · 28/11/2019 13:43

Not sure if there's a thread about this already, but the Premier League boss David Pemsel (in his fifties) has been harassing a former colleague in her twenties with flirtatious texts. My first reaction was ew, but looking at the texts, I really think she was encouraging him.

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/10438420/premier-league-david-pemsel-texts/

OP posts:
MitziK · 30/11/2019 16:23

'I've had x apply for that (amazingly well paid) job. She worked for you, didn't she?'

'Ugh. Fucking useless bint. Amazing tits but thick as shit. And not even a good shag. I wouldn't bother, mate'.

'Oh, right, cheers. Fancy a trip to x (strip club) next time you're down'.

'Yeah, see if that blonde will give you the extras you wanted last time is still there'.

'Nah, sorted that slapper out in the morning. She's history there, but I've heard that y's PA is up for a party'.

That is how 'references' saying 'x was employed from [date] to [date] pan out in some circles. The ones where women are commodities and consent is at best a flexible concept.

7salmonswimming · 30/11/2019 16:25

If you work in an industry where a word from someone like Pemsel can have you professionally stunted - all the more reason to walk away from the get go. The guy is telling you, in writing, that he is not honourable or decent. If a bad word from him can do you harm, why play with fire? I’d say the same of a woman at the top of her industry. I’ve known one such woman who was excellent at her job: respected internationally, absolute leader in her field, fiercely intelligent. But also fickle, sour, unreliable. You played with fire if you wanted to use her to get ahead. If she happened to be in a bad mood when your work happened to be less than stellar one day, that was it. No second chances, and you’d be done for. It’s a high stakes game with people like this, is my point. 99% of people know this when they go into it. Very few of those 99% come out winners.

I absolutely agree with you on not knowing how to say no. Too many women feel the need to please, don’t want to upset anyone, run faster than their male counterparts, invest emotionally. It’s so very wrong, but so difficult to undo. My daughter is being taught at home and at school to be firm, assertive, stand up for herself. When things get really bad, she does say no. But it kills me how many times in any given day she just gives in (to her sibling, to a friend, whoever) for an easy life. I point it out to her, but she just says “it’s not worth it”. She doesn’t realize that a lifetime of this just wears you down. My DH says a lifetime of fighting each instance and conflict would also wear her down, given her innate propensity for calm and peaceful living. Neither of us are wrong.

Bluerussian · 30/11/2019 16:33

I don't think she was leading him on, he was being an absolute pest while she tried to head him off politely.

However he was due to start new job soon away from her and at that point she could have blocked him I suppose (unless I've misunderstood it all). Having said that, now that he has been exposed as a sleazeball he's not likely to pester anyone again thankfully.

Horrible man, yeuch.

longwayoff · 30/11/2019 20:01

Leading him on? How very amusingly vampish. No I don't think that. I think women should be free to work unmolested by bosses seeking sexual advantage.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/12/2019 12:15

I don't think she should be blamed, but I also don't think she should have been ending the texts with kisses.

BertrandRussell · 01/12/2019 12:31

You must be blaming her a little bit - or you wouldn’t have added the “but”....

Bluntness100 · 01/12/2019 12:46

Agree BERTRAND, there should be no "but"

She is not responsible for this man harassing her, end of.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/12/2019 13:17

The "but" is because I think it's unwise to end messages with kisses in a professional setting. That would be the same whichever colleague you're texting. I text colleagues regularly. I've never used xxx at the end and I've never had xxx used to me. I do have colleagues who I'm friendly with outside work and might use xxx. in a non-professional message to them regarding non-work activity but I would do that on my personal mobile not my work mobile.

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