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AIBU to ask for your help compiling a handy list of awful lies and behaviour by the Government/ prime minister, as there are just so many I feel like i’m drowning..

52 replies

berringer · 28/11/2019 05:21

Is this a deliberate strategy to desensitise us ? It feels like the past decade has been ramping up and up in terms of awful “surely this must be the end of them now” and still they carry on like a bunch of rich political zombies! Wtf is going on with the polls?

I’ll start with 3

Anyone remember Grenfell? Not just that the Tory council and Government we’re responsible for the policies and under funding that led to the cladding, the lack of maintenance on the building and the de funding of the fire service, but also Teresa May’s woeful response and the subsequent report fudge and Rees-Mogg’s recent comments?

Anyone remember a sitting prime minister bring found by the Supreme Court to have illegally suspended parliament, for the purpose of stopping debate for their own political advantage?

Anyone noticed that the Prime Minister is currently refusing to do his interview with Andrew O’neil? Despite the fact that Cibyn and Sturgeon’s have already been aired?

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araiwa · 28/11/2019 05:43

We're honna need a bigger internet...

Pixxie7 · 28/11/2019 05:49

Promises to waspi women during leader challange.

theduchessstill · 28/11/2019 06:13

Constantly saying parliament blocked Brexit when he'd managed to get the deal through it's first hurdle but then threw a strop when MPs wanted to scrutinise it.

Just ignoring the fact that they've been in power nearly 10 years so everything they're promising to fix is their fault anyway.

Saying the deal is 'oven-ready' when everyone who knows about these things says we won't get the trade bit done in time and will end up crashing out with no deal, as has been the plan all along hence ERG support.

ChaoticKate · 28/11/2019 06:30

Oh for goodness sake.

They all lie. They all issue misleading statements. They all attempt to rewrite events to paint themselves in a less damning light.

So if you’re going to collect lies, at the very least spread your net across the political spectrum.

Voting Labour/Lib Dem won’t mean no lies. It’ll just mean a different flavour of fib.

bellinisurge · 28/11/2019 06:33

@ChaoticKate is correct. I'm old. Seen it many times.
The new thing is Tbe Trump-esque hiding shit in plain sight with more shit served up daily. We are getting more of that, I think.

tttigress · 28/11/2019 06:37

Where is the AIBU angle?

Getting sock of Mumsnet being tied up with political threads.

AlwaysCheddar · 28/11/2019 06:41

All politicians lie or tell fibs or bend the truth regardless of which patty they stand for, FFS!

Doingitaloneandproud · 28/11/2019 06:50

How ridiculous, all of them lie,think a lot of AIBU threads belong in the Politics section...

Fleetheart · 28/11/2019 06:55

I think most people would not disagree that Boris Johnson lies much more than most. He has been sacked 3 times for lying at work. How many of us can say the same??

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 28/11/2019 06:57

At least pretend it is an AIBU or that you want a debate.

Rosspoldarkssaddle · 28/11/2019 06:59

When a question on IACGMOH survey asked how many people quizzed did not trust politicians and the answer was 79% it kinda sums up where we are. There seems to be no trust any more for people in any party.

theduchessstill · 28/11/2019 07:04

So sick of all this glib "they all lie" business. Not like him they don't. Several things he's done and said would have resulted in resignations not that long ago.

Seems we deserve what looks likely to be coming Sad .

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 07:08

heres a list of cons achievements over the last ten years (from twitter)

(make a cup of tea, you’ll need it)

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
43,500 knife crime offences recorded in March 2018/ 2019
285 knife crime murders increase of 2012 from (2016/17)
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
763 youth centres shut.

Britain deserves better. Don’t give them your vote!

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 07:11

heres a starter from boris illustrious cv.

been fired from two separate jobs for lying.

ordered the beating up of a journalist.

got Nazanin Radcliffe’s case wrong – thus contributing to her time in jail.

gave his then-girlfriend tax-payers money while London Mayor

lied about Heathrow and didn’t die in a ditch.

written articles in favour of remain, then switched to leave.

Took part in the fraudulent Leave campaign based on lies.

Said ‘fuck business’.

Stared at news cameras he invited into a hospital and said, ‘there are no media here’.

Talked about: bum-boys, picanninies, letterboxes.

His brother and his sister are on record as saying he only thinks about himself.

His much younger girlfriend – who he left his wife with cancer for – said he only thinks about himself.

Nobody is allowed to know how many children he has.

Tolleshunt · 28/11/2019 07:16

a) while they all lie, Bodge’s lies have been distinguished by their prolifickness, their audacity and their ambition.

He is quite prepared to say quite obviously false statements that everybody, including him, know are false at the time, yet will try and brass neck it.

He is prepared to lie for unusually high stakes, even for a politician, eg the lies to the Queen, parliament, and everybody else, about the reasons for proroguing parliament.

Whereas other politicians lie to save their own skin/maintain their position and all its entitlements, Johnson is prepared to lie to prevent a vital part of our democracy from operating, and to seize presidential-style (and even beyond that) powers to himself and his cronies in a political coup. That is far above the usual much lower level lies we see as commonplace.

I have never yet seen another politician be so blatant about insisting on the veracity of statements even a fairly young child could work out are obviously untrue. Kind of the political equivalent of the child who denies eating the chocolate, while it is smeared around his mouth.

Somehow, inexplicably, he gets away with it, where other politicians have had to face the music when they’ve over-reached themselves and gone too far.

I’m guessing he wouldn’t be getting away with it if somebody electable were leading Labour. Though there would always be a proportion of voters who would vote Tory even if a chimp were dressed up in a suit with a blue rosette on it, a politician of such low morals who is prepared to blatantly and openly take the electorate for mugs would usually not be able to win an election.

b) how depressing that we are so prepared to be taken for fools by our elected representatives, that when somebody tries to expose a politician’s lies, people fall over themselves to shout about how the others do it too.

JoannaObrien · 28/11/2019 07:19

My Dad voted for Labour because they told him they would not be building the northern relief road M6 toll .... they still built it and he was given £2000 compensation because it has made his house value drop ... he is quite near it. He will never vote for Labour again because they lied to him.

x2boys · 28/11/2019 07:29

What about Tony Blair and the weapons of mass destruction @theduchessstill?

JoannaObrien · 28/11/2019 07:31

@x2boys

Yes what a liar Tony was lying about weapons that didn't exist.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 07:35

tony blair, john major, michael heseltine, ken clarke all lie and cheat like boris.

you are just kidding yourself. look if you want more of the same, knock yourself out but this whole 'theyre all as bad as each other' shtick is tired and untrue.

Tolleshunt · 28/11/2019 07:37

Agreed, Helmet.

And what kind of fool thinks to themselves ‘hey, I was had over by somebody 15 years ago, and so I should just let this bloke here do it again, even though this time I can see it coming.’

berringer · 28/11/2019 07:37

AIBU to ask you to help me compile a list?

Some of you this I am

Some of you are helping!

Thanks

Jeremy Hunt trying to break the Junior Doctors

Amber Rudd and the wind Rush Scandal

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JoannaObrien · 28/11/2019 07:38

@helmetbymidnight

I agree all politicians lie but I am still voting for Boris because I don't want Corbyn putting up the taxes.

Scotinthenorth · 28/11/2019 07:40

Corbyn tells some whoppers

Auberjean · 28/11/2019 07:43

ChaoticKate is not right. I'm not that young and I do not remember anything like the lies from the current administration-it is a completely different animal and far more brazen.

Johnson's people took lessons from Trump and Bannon. He is effectively contemptuous. The tone has changed a little, of course, since he decided to call an election. He has become more careful. But wait till they get in!

You should read Johnson's books, if you want to know his true right wing philosophy. What he plans for us is well beyond what you are hearing from him now. He scares even the Tories, often. Read Heseltine this week-and god knows, he wasn't moderate.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 07:45

thats fair enough, i think if youve got private health care and private ed in place, a secure job and housing and you dont mind walking over homeless people in the street, thats a good move for you.