DC going vegan?

[57mama]

My DC are 12 & 14. They've decided that they want to go vegan because it's "healthier". They've been vegetarian for almost 5 years because they just refuse to eat any meat or fish we serve to them (except the gravy and roast potatoes that they think are vegan ). DH and I will absolutely not be going vegan, whether we let the DC do it or not. I've heard all the stories about vegan kids being malnourished etc, but AIBU to let them? DH thinks it's dangerous and inconvenient, but they'll be cooking for themselves, and surely they can just stop if they want/need to? Any advice would be appreciated!

I should say statistics AND sampling/data collection. And that’s before you considerthatbthre are groups on both sides of the divide with vested interest in clouding/exaggerating research results (though I strongly suspect the dairy/meat industry does this more than the less powerful vegan lobbies)).

Roast potatoes and gravy are the easiest things to make vegan. Stop being a twat. They trust you ffs, you are their mum!

Being vegan can be very healthy and is not that difficult these days. When you think about it, are’t many of your veggie dishes really vegan. Curry, pasta dishes, soup, chilli, veg with vegan sausage (or similar) and mash, big salads etc. All easy vegan dishes.

If you are of a mind watch The Game Changers and Forks Over Knives. You may find you agree with your kids.

OP hasn't come back since people have pointed out it's a scummy thing to do with lying about what you're feeding people.

OP, why don't you try and be on your DCs side, use meat and dairy substitutions and just lie to your DH about what you're feeding him? What harm could it do?
If he's that bothered he can plan,budget,shop and prepare and cook everything for himself.

For yourself? Every single thing from scratch. Nothing where you have to trust a label or what the person handing it to you says about what's in food or drink. If you're that bothered, do it yourself and don't complain if you're lied to by someone you trust.

They've been vegetarian for almost 5 years because they just refuse to eat any meat or fish we serve to them (except the gravy and roast potatoes that they think are vegan
Well, don't you sound an absolute delight?

Seriously, how hard is it to just get a tub of veggy gravy granules for them to use instead?
Utter dick move pretending something's veggy/vegan when it's not.
And no, I'm not either of them.

Roast potatoes and gravy are the easiest things to make vegan. Stop being a twat. They trust you ffs, you are their mum!

Exactly, I mean WTF lol.
Making them not vegan on purpose is doing it just for being a knob sake!

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Game changers is inaccurate propaganda.

You already sounded pretty awful - but just in case anyone wasn’t sure, you helpfully removed any doubt by ending your post with ‘simples’.

Ahh yes big bad awful me, wont pander to fad diets lmao.
It would be the parent doing the leg work of shopping and no way in hell am i spending more and shopping longer for a bloody fad, then the whole cross contamination shit. So new utensils, appliances that havent been used for meat and dairy, making sure the fridge and pantry have safe spaces.
Going vegan is more than just a diet change, its a lifestyle change, one im not prepared to deal with

Bet you wont like the "my house my rules"

Thanks for your replies. I won't stop making my roast dinner with goose fat as I like it that way, but the kids don't really like roast dinner anyway. I'll tell them what they're eating and I'll let them plan their own meals for Sundays if they want to.

Ahh yes big bad awful me, wont pander to fad diets lmao

Bet you wont like the "my house my rules"

Too bloody right I wouldn’t. Denying your children choices and their autonomy on the basis that it’s ‘your house’ is a pretty wanky attitude. One that may bite you on the arse when your kids can’t get away fast enough once they turn 18.

@57mama

I won't stop making my roast dinner with goose fat as I like it that way

Wow

I won't stop making my roast dinner with goose fat as I like it that way

‘I’ll do what I want and sod anyone else’s feelings’ in other words.

Disgusting how you feed them food that has animal products on them

I’m fascinated by all these people who think they can decide whether they will ‘let’ their children turn vegetarian. What will you do if they simply refuse to eat meat? Are you going to force it down their throats?

Well its eat whats in the house, buy your own or go hungry.
You may be able to put together a salad from the fridge?? maybe, we not big salad eaters
I know i have plain regular pasta, maybe a tin of kidney beans
She wouldnt starve if she wanted to try but she would get bored very fast

thankfully it wont be an issue here
dd loves nuggets and bacon too much.

I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but your attitude stinks - you don't just misle people and trick them into eating something just because you think theirs is a "fad" and yours is the "right" way.

You need to work hard to keep the protein levels up but it's not impossible. (I agree with you btw - I wouldn't encourage veganism until they are fully grown.)

DS1 17 has turned veggie recently and would love to be vegan. I have to explain to him all the time that the meals he suggests have zero protein in them. What we do is have veggie meals wiht him about 4 times a week, then 3 dinners are meat or fish based but he has a separate protein.

So far, the best stuff I've come across is plenty of tofu, cut into chunks, dipped in cornflour and spices or seeds and fried; lots of bean or lentil-based dinners; veggie crumbles with a nut-heavy topping; peanut (satay sauces), humous and falafel, wholemeal bread. If they have those regularly, they will probably get enough protein.

Too bloody right I wouldn’t. Denying your children choices and their autonomy on the basis that it’s ‘your house’ is a pretty wanky attitude. One that may bite you on the arse when your kids can’t get away fast enough once they turn 18.

She has a choice, cook and buy yourself if you wanna go on a fad diet.
If you want me to sort that shit for you, well you eat as we do. Im not a short order cook who makes different meals for all.
Now if she had an allergy, illness or intolerance, id cater for that, no worries, COMPLETELY different

Well its eat whats in the house, buy your own or go hungry
She wouldnt starve if she wanted to try but she would get bored very fast

Why make it miserable for her just because you think she should eat a certain way?
She's her own person, capable of making her own decisions.

@57mama damn now i want goose fat potatoes. sounds so rich and decadent

Whilst yes, they should be checking what's in their food, home is the one place that they shouldn't have to worry about it.

My DD can't have gluten, she checks everything, everywhere except at home cos I'm her mum and she knows she can trust what I give her.

Pretty awful that your dc can't trust you.

thankfully it wont be an issue here
dd loves nuggets and bacon too much.

That’s what my mum thought. My ‘fad’ has lasted over 33 years.

I would love my children to want to try a plant based diet and would support them fully. Hopefully more people will wake up soon to the utter crap they are putting in their bodies. The meat/dairy consumed by older generations in their youth is not the same as what is presented to us today.

We do our potatoes with goose fat for Xmas and this year we'll have 2 veggies with us. Yes it's a pain to do 2 lots of toasties but we'll do some goose fat and some veggie oil. I'm not giving up good, tasty food in my own house but I will cool some slightly differently for the veggies.

I won't stop making my roast dinner with goose fat as I like it that way, but the kids don't really like roast dinner anyway. I'll tell them what they're eating and I'll let them plan their own meals for Sundays if they want to. Just out of curiosity, how are you planning on breaking it to them that you’ve been feeding them animal products in the knowledge that they don’t want to eat them?