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You wouldn't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn, you'd be voting for the Labour party...

34 replies

Lougle · 16/11/2019 22:22

Today, Labour were campaigning in my village. I was approached and said "No thank you, Jeremy Corbyn is still your leader." The campaigner said "You would be voting for the Labour party, not Jeremy Corbyn..."

Surely a vote for labour is a vote for JC?

For clarity, I am not a loyal party supporter. I've voted Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem in the past, depending on what I thought of the candidates. However, whilst I can't bring myself to vote Conservative, I also can't vote labour because I don't believe a word of what JC says about the budget. At the same time, I can't support the Lib Dems after their behaviour at the last GE.

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Oly4 · 16/11/2019 22:24

I’m no fan of JC either but I’m casting a vote for labour because I believe in their policies to make life better for those who are far less well off than me. If that means JC for a few years, so be it

ethelfleda · 16/11/2019 22:26

YABU
You’re voting for you local candidate.

ilyjccs · 16/11/2019 22:27

You’re right, it also means John McDonnell and Diane Abbott...

Tories will wipe the floor with labour this election

misspiggy19 · 16/11/2019 22:29

YANBU- I know lots of people who would vote Labour if Corbyn wasn’t leader.

Shouldbedoing · 16/11/2019 22:30

I feel.you.have to.look at the manifestos.and.realise that many policies will be watered down.by parliamentary scrutiny. I could not vote for.more Tory cruelty and.the.NHS selloff..Lib Dems.are.likely to prop.up another Tory govt and.Jo.swinsons.voting record os pure conservative. My local MP.went with the Tinge party so hopefully well.get a new.Laboir MP.in. You can only vote for the local person anyway.

Shouldbedoing · 16/11/2019 22:30

Omg the typos

doadeer · 16/11/2019 22:32

Did we vote for May or Johnson? No, yet here they were/are leaders of the country. You vote for your local candidate and the party. A leader can be changed far easier than the party

underneaththeash · 16/11/2019 22:35

The leader unfortunately chooses the cabinet and they run the country. So yes, if you vote labour, you’re voting for Corbyn.

Unfortunately, it also means that if you vote conservative, you’re voting for Boris. But he’s by far the lesser of both evils.

MaxNormal · 16/11/2019 22:37

But he’s by far the lesser of both evils

Is he bollox. That lying sociopathic bastard Johnson is far, far worse.

Original poster
Lougle · 16/11/2019 22:42

I honestly think, for the first time, that there is no good vote to be had. Politics has become a game.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/11/2019 22:54

You vote for your local MP which in turn supports voting for a party and their leader - so of course voting labour you are voting for Corbyn

I admire some Tory MP’s but not going to vote for them if I lived in their constituency and I shall not be voting Labour to support the party being led by Corbyn/Momentum

JasonPollack · 16/11/2019 23:32

JC is about the only honest politician in Parliament. He has been saying the same, honest, socialist, things for about 40 years. Boris doesn't even know what he said yesterday, let alone believe it.

birdandroses · 17/11/2019 04:45

If Brexit on remain or leave side is a priority for you, then this election is between a hard Brexit (Johnson) or a chance for a second referendum (remain alliance).

Asthenia · 17/11/2019 05:06

I really find it interesting that so many people say they wouldn’t vote for Labour while JC is the leader - in my experience it’s the total opposite. Friends of mine that have never been particularly engaged in politics are really inspired by him - I myself joined the Labour Party this year. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think he’s a decent, good, principled man, and I certainly don’t know anyone who will be voting Tory (bar my 80-something grandmother). Not a dig, just interesting to note.

doadeer · 17/11/2019 07:18

@Asthenia I'm the same. It makes me think we are in an echo chamber. Most on my Facebook are around 30, London and love him. But reading MN I'm realising this is not representative

ethelfleda · 17/11/2019 07:20

I posted this on another thread in response to someone saying they ‘Can’t vote for Corbyn’

I keep seeing people saying this and I honestly think it’s just another pointless repeated sound bite.
Firstly, it’s not that you CANT it’s that you don’t WANT to.
Secondly, you’re not voting for Corbyn... unless he is your local MP?

Politics is often a subject that people know very little about but will pretend to know more than they do in order to be viewed in a certain light by their peers. Hardly a anyone actually does any research and people just repeat over and over phrases they’ve heard from other people that they think sound good.

I haven’t got a problem with anyone voting for any party - as long as they fucking think about it!

One of DHs work mates is incredulous that Labour will tax the very rich, for example. And is trying to show everyone what a good little Tory voter he is. Because he wants to be seen a certain way - a successful, wealthy, middle class/elite type. The reality is, he earns less than £30k, is mortgaged up to his eyeballs and spends what little spare cash he has on ‘fashion’ t shirts, while his partner and baby likely go without.

You know, you don’t have to tell anyone who you’ve voted for. In fact, you could lie about it. Nobody would know! Got a load of left wing mates who worship the ground Corbyn walks on but you want us to leave the EU with Johnson’s deal? Then wax lyrical with your mates about how you’d never vote blue but happily skip along to poll both and stick your X in the Tory box... nobody needs to know!

Am I’m voting Labour!

ethelfleda · 17/11/2019 07:23

For me, it’s simple. This is a Brexit referendum. Whoever gets in after this election probably won’t even last the full 5 years. Let alone long enough to ruin the country. Whereas as the outcome of Brexit is likely to be permanent. So I’m voting labour as I agree with their stance on Brexit more than the other parties. I would prefer to remain but if it’s a choice between remain and a soft Brexit, I can cope with that. I don’t think we should just revoke and I definitely don’t agree with Tory/Brexit party’s stance on it!

FOJeremy · 17/11/2019 07:23

You’d be voting for Momentum actually

MaxNormal · 17/11/2019 07:28

FOJeremy with that username you're clearly unbiased Grin

MrsZippyLake · 17/11/2019 07:30

Interesting the comment about the person who is 30 and in London and everyone she knows is voting for JC. All my life-long Labour supporter friends I know who are in London but now in their 40s are now voting Lib Dem as they can’t bring themselves to vote for JC. Sounds like some sort of switch may be flicked between 30 and 40?!

I8toys · 17/11/2019 07:33

Totally agree.

KatherineJaneway · 17/11/2019 07:34

Surely a vote for labour is a vote for JC?

It is. He is party leader and it does make a difference.

wafflyversatile · 17/11/2019 07:41

Interesting the comment about the person who is 30 and in London and everyone she knows is voting for JC. All my life-long Labour supporter friends I know who are in London but now in their 40s are now voting Lib Dem as they can’t bring themselves to vote for JC. Sounds like some sort of switch may be flicked between 30 and 40?!

Most of my friends are in london and aged between 35 and 55 and are voting labour even if they hadn't before. I'll be voting labour willingly for the first time ever.

NameChangeNugget · 17/11/2019 07:42

The canvasser sounds like an idiot.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 17/11/2019 07:56

I'm voting based on my local candidate though. I've given up on the "who do I want running the country" as I think we're screwed either way so am voting on who is promising the most locally