To wonder why people think that Labour can't win?
BooHaa · 16/11/2019 21:42
It seems that everywhere I turn I see Labour supporters yet there also seems to be a narrative that Labour won't win the election. Based on what I've seen, there is a lot of support for Labour and I'm wondering, do they stand a chance?
I ask this as someone trying to make sense of it all with no political agenda
IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 16/11/2019 21:49
I am properly working class and a life long Labour voter. I have been a union steward too and I don't think/want them to win. I despair that the WC don't have a voice and that we don't have a good oppisition
Corbyn, a behind the scenes agitator not a leader
Momentum, a party within a party- not good
Women, they want self ID which will remove sex based protections and render statistics useless
Identity politics, by the middle classes for the middle classes
EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/11/2019 21:51
Corbyn and co - the reasons why have been mentioned numerous times
And Brexit. They have sat on the fence to try and please both the sides of their voters and that impacts quite a few of their safe seats
And the idea of more negotiations that could go on for how long know one knows and another referendum people are so fed up that this just doesn’t appeal
BooHaa · 16/11/2019 21:55
I don't follow the polls, I try to be aware but everything happens so quick I don't know where to start! Corbyn shouldn't be a barrier though, should he? Just looking at how many PMs we've had in recent years, he could be replaced within months?
"Women, they want self ID which will remove sex based protections and render statistics useless
Identity politics, by the middle classes for the middle classes"
I don't fully understand what this means, but it's not a given that they would have enough support to make this happen, is it?
Elodie2019 · 16/11/2019 21:55
I keep looking for actual footage of JC that backs up the tabloid's view of him. Found nothing. If anyone can link, please do.
Until then, I'll continue to believe it's all a witch hunt.
(Vote labour sign went up today.)
They won't win. The press has too much influence and too many people never look further than the end of their nose.
oreomum · 16/11/2019 22:00
I would like the Tories to be kicked out of government but I don't want Labour in either. I think that there are a lot of people like me who don't know who to vote for.
Problems with Labour: anti-semitism, anti-woman, making lots of insane spending promises, held hostage by Momentum who are anti LGB and all about the T, Corbyn and his unclear position on policy like Europe
housemdwaswrong · 16/11/2019 22:06
Largely I think because:
- because a lot of people are treating it as a referendum not a general election.
- As a consequence of 1, people are going by personality not policies.
If you disagree with policies then fine, take your vote to the best fit policy-wise. That's what general elections are. At the moment though it's about Brexit and personalities. Manifestos not even published yet and everyone knows who they are voting for... but little idea what.
EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/11/2019 22:13
Look up Andrew Neil’s interview with Corbyn questioning him about him inviting ex IRA prisoners into the HOP a few weeks after the Brighton Bombing he absolutely should have been kicked out of the party then it was utterly disgraceful behaviour but bigger issues like national security needed to be dealt with from both sides of the house
Oh and there is his actions (or non actions) and the anti Semitism report when one of his own MP’s (Ruth Smeeth who happens to be Jewish) is heckled and he sits back and does fuck all and to make things worse he chats with the abusive heckler and says I shall contact you later
Fails to do anything in regards to fellow agitator and anti Semite Ken Livingstone until pushed to
Oh and friends with Hamas - do you know what Hamas want to do to Israel?
Until Labour have a respectable leader who is worth is leading the party and have the intelligence and integrity to be PM many people won’t vote Labour
But his supporters will not only keep the Tories in power. It also support the most dismal and poor opposition party many can remember
Didiusfalco · 16/11/2019 22:18
I think it’s because Corbyn is polarising and moderates are concerned about what he might do. The polls show labour far behind so no ones expecting them to be that far wrong. On the ground the labour hq are riding roughshod over their grassroots supporters. There’s the taint of anti Semitism. Corbyn has been weak in his opposition to brexit, basically because he is a eurosceptic, so he’s not seemed decisive on that either. He’s not campaigning with the same enthusiasm he did in 2017 either I don’t think. There’s loads of reasons, it’s all a bit depressing.
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