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To ask about Jeremy Corbyn and anti semitism

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TheoriginalLEM · 16/11/2019 18:10

So having decided to vote labour I had a conversation with a Jewish work colleague who said she couldn't vote for him, hated him even. It took me a few seconds and then i realised why. I said that I had stuck my fingers in my ears and my head in the sand somewhat about this, hoping it was just the media etc.

We didn't get into it as I could see she was uncomfortable.

So can someone tell me if and why he is an anti-semite? It doesn't sit well with me to vote for someone like that but I desperately want the Tories gone and my politics is definitely to the left.

I'm honestly not being goady and I know I could google but i wouldn't know where to start to get an unbiased view

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NotUnderMyRoofYouDont · 18/11/2019 14:13

There are real, dangerous anti-semites in the world, and this is terrible. But to try to slur JC as antisemitic is to take attention from the genuine threats.

Corbyn has long opposed a number of systems and regimes which oppress groups of disempowered people. One example of this, among many, is that he's been vocal about the racist policies of the current Israeli government, and the effects on Palestinians (who are the oppressed people in this case). It has nothing to do with the Jewish faith or Jewish people more broadly, UNLESS you deliberately make it so (which many disingenuously do, it seems).

caranconnor · 18/11/2019 14:16

So only anti semitic people matter?

bellinisurge · 18/11/2019 14:16

"There are real, dangerous anti-semites in the world,"
And Corbyn's Labour Party gives a platform to them.

Frenchw1fe · 18/11/2019 14:22

I think in the same way that I would believe a woman who says she was assaulted I would believe a person who felt targeted purely because of race or religion.

2 years ago I was an enthusiastic Corbyn supporter but now regardless of whether or not he is anti semitic ( I really don't know) he has failed miserably to stamp out antisemitism and has lacked leadership qualities and I am seriously disillusioned. If Jewish people perceive Labour as antisemitic then change should happen from within the party.
Nobody should ever feel worried about living in their own country.

I won't vote be voting Conservative or Labour.
My fear is that another conservative government will do nothing to tackle racism. Why would they. Anti semitism in the Labour party serves the Tories well and we know Tories are Islamaphobic.

It's a horrible state of affairs.

mycatthinksshesatiger · 18/11/2019 14:30

I am Jewish racially/culturally, but not really in a religious sense, and am absolutely terrified of labour getting in. I was brought up on socialist values and still have these running through my core, but the need to feel safe trumps everything I’m afraid. It may sound like an over-reaction to many people, but we all know only too well where Jew hatred can lead. I have been considering my family’s options should Corbyn get in, which include moving abroad.

caranconnor · 18/11/2019 14:33

Those thinking jewish people talking about moving abroad are over reacting have to remember the history. Most Jewish people had relatives murdered in the Holocaust, some of whom will not have moved abroad when they could have, because they thought nothing so awful could possibly happen.

Frenchw1fe · 18/11/2019 14:34

@mycatthinksshesatiger
That's awful. I hope things improve. You should not have to worry about this. It's unacceptable.

AnnieTotach · 18/11/2019 14:40

Exactly @caranconnor

Those who were complacent and said 'No need to worry, the Germans are a cultured people, nothing will happen to us', well, we know what their fate was.

Those who read the writing on the wall, packed their bags and left wer the ones who survived.

Jews have been in this situation too many times before in history. It's only in living memory that Jews were murdered on an industrial scale never seen before or again in history.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 18/11/2019 15:20

MrPan did you see his support of an anti- Semitic mural?

MockersthefeMANist · 18/11/2019 15:42

Corbyn has long opposed a number of systems and regimes which oppress groups of disempowered people.

And therin lies the problem. His list of bad regimes is highly selective. Won't hear a bad word about Cuba, Venezuela, and until recently Ecuador, where President Lenin Moreno sent Assange packing and has to deal with so much of the economic fall-out from the postruing Marxist claptrap of his predecssor. His taking sides with would be President-For-Life-Or-Possibly-Longer Morales in Bolivia after his supporters tore up the constitution and rigged the election is another.

One example of this, among many, is that he's been vocal about the racist policies of the current Israeli government, and the effects on Palestinians (who are the oppressed people in this case).

What racist policies? One-fifth of Israelis are Arabs, many of them Bedouins and Christians who are persistently persecuted by both Fatah and Hamas, the former more subtly, the latter more directly.

There are black and brown Israelis from every continent. Where is the racism, in contrast to the Hamas Charter?

No one persecutes Palestinians like Hamas. They are murderers, torturers and absolutely criminal gangsters. Along with Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, they kill more Palestinians than Israel ever could.

Netanyahu is disgusting, but he is, or was, eleceted, and now there is going to be a trial and the Likud PM may go the way of the last Likud President and end up in jail, because Israel unlike any Arab state has the rule of law and an independent judiciary. Far from perfect, but stratospherically better than even the best Arab country, Jordan where honour killings and forced child-marriages abound.

And whilst we're on the subject, why do all those Palestinians remain in camps when they could all go to the Gulf and get jobs? (Or rather if they could...)

Frenchw1fe · 18/11/2019 16:14

@MockersthefeMANist
Since 2018 35 to 40 000 mostly young men have left via the now open Egyptian border.

Amazonfromkent · 18/11/2019 16:23

Go to the Gulf and get jobs?????

Amazonfromkent · 18/11/2019 16:24

Because they can't leave????? FFS.

MockersthefeMANist · 18/11/2019 16:47

Why can't they leave, FFS?

Why are so many people so pig-ignorant of the fundamental facts of this problem?

I mentioned the people in "camps," the refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and elsewhere.

GlitchStitch · 18/11/2019 17:29

This is interesting- a tweet with concerning video footage of Corbyn and the first response of Aaron Bastani, high profile labour supporter, is to attack the account doing the tweeting, no mention of the content of the tweet itself and Corbyn's behaviour. Exactly the same as on this thread, attacking LK rather than addressing the issues within her tweet. Do those of you doing it realise how it looks? It looks like desperate deflection because you simply have no other defence. Not a single person who has come on to blindly defend St Corbyn has been able to give any example of an untruth posted on this thread. Instead you call names and spout anti-Semitic tropes, it's revolting. Congratulations on helping to make labour unelectable.

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PeterOhanrahahanrahan · 18/11/2019 17:42

This is what they all do. One of the most insidious aspects of all this is the reliance on "new" media - actually little more than personal blogs with an agenda - while attacking the "MSM" - ie the BBC, Guardian etc. Like other extremist movements Corbynism protects itself by presenting its own media as the only acceptable source of information.

Xenia · 18/11/2019 18:15

Much as I want the Tories to win so am delighted that issue and many others is moving people from labour to Tories (come over to the right side, you are very welcome in the Conservative fold.....) I don't think Corbyn is anti semitic and I am sure jews will be as safe in the UK whichever of Labour or the Tories wins. What will not be safe is our money so if you are not sure where to vote vote Conservative so you are not facing massive extra taxes.

bellinisurge · 18/11/2019 18:20

I ain't moving to the Tories. Don't kid yourself.

AnnieTotach · 18/11/2019 18:21

I feel quite the opposite, Xenia. I feel quite despairing of what has happened to Labour and sick at the thought of the Tories winning. Yet, I also think Jeremy Corbyn is either an anti-semite or wilfully blind to anti-semitism and has allowed it to completely infect the Labour party.
It is with no glee that I hope Labour does not win. I will not vote for either Labour or Tory. I'm going for the non anti-semitic Remain parties, tactical voting be damned.

PeterOhanrahahanrahan · 18/11/2019 18:22

Thank you Xenia, but no I won't vote for a party which in a different way is as dangerously radicalised as the Labour Party, which casts Parliament/MPs as enemies of the people, whose PM is a shameless racist and misogynist, which is forcing a ruinous hard Brexit which will cause untold further hardship especially after nine years of austerity. What a tragedy that in such dangerous times both major parties are so completely unfit to govern.

ArseDarkly · 18/11/2019 18:50

Much as I want the Tories to win so am delighted that issue and many others is moving people from labour to Tories (come over to the right side, you are very welcome in the Conservative fold.....) I don't think Corbyn is anti semitic and I am sure jews will be as safe in the UK whichever of Labour or the Tories wins

At long last some honesty! Thank you xenia for having the guts to actually represent this as it is - an issue blown hugely out of proportion for the purposes of damaging Corbyn.

Not that I have any intention of going to the conservative 'fold' - no power on earth would induce me to do that.

Patroclus · 18/11/2019 18:51

Very welcome in the tory fold, unless you're a 'letterbox', 'piccaninnie' or 'bum boy'

bellinisurge · 18/11/2019 18:54

"an issue blown hugely out of proportion for the purposes of damaging Corbyn."
Pesky Jewish people objecting to being driven out of the Labour Party by its persistent enabling of some real nasty bastards.

GlitchStitch · 18/11/2019 18:56

an issue blown hugely out of proportion for the purposes of damaging Corbyn.

Just to be clear- do you think Jewish people are exaggerating their concerns in order to damage Corbyn?

Considermesometimes · 18/11/2019 18:58

I won't be voting for labour because of this issue (I am a labour party member, and have always supported them to now. It was a big decision for me) and because Momentum's policy will blow up the economy. I don't even think it is possible to call them labour anymore, the party name has remained the same and that is all. You are voting for Momentum these days sadly, and that is scary if you have seen their polices and nationalisation programme. We live in sad times.

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