AIBU to think this man should’ve got life in prison
Gin96 · 13/11/2019 17:01
Unbelievable, these women’s lives were worth so little 😢
PurpleDaisies · 13/11/2019 17:34
He was given four life sentences.
DishingOutDone · 13/11/2019 17:45
I read this earlier, unbelievable.
The young girl talks about it as if it was in the 60s or something - saying "that's how society was at the time" ...?!! But when you realise this happened in 2000 and link it to the grooming cases you can see how this all unfolded. Yet she still refers to him as "dad". And as for the grandfather - there are just so many terrible things you run out of superlatives.
Gin96 · 13/11/2019 17:59
I know less than 20 years ago! You would think it was back in the 50’s. How on earth these men got away with these crimes in broad daylight, when the police knew what was going on and they did nothing, the poor girls got the blame. Our society should hold our heads in shame for letting this happen.
MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2019 19:15
A life sentence should mean just that. You stay in prison until they care you out in a pine box. It's obscene that monsters like this are ever eligible for parole.
Easy to say. But implementing policy is very different to a black and white moralistic approach.
A few things that make full life terms less desirable.
- Behaviour in prison. People with nothing to lose have no incentive to behave in prison. Parole is a massive incentive to behave. American prisons are a good example of what happens when prisoners have nothing to lose.
2. Money. It's extremely expensive to hold people in prison when they are no longer a risk to society.
3. Compatible sentences. A 20 years old serves 60 years and a 60 year old serves 20.
4. The concept of rehabilitation. What is prison for? Pure punishment has not been the point for a long time. Prison should be for two things; rehabilitation and deterrent. Murder is comparatively rare and recidivism rates are the lowest of any crime. So locking someone up forever doesn't serve the purpose of prison unless the purpose is revenge and punishment, which hasn't been what we've wanted from the prison system.
5. Human rights. It's inhumane to take all hope away from anyone, even a murderer. And yes, for human rights to mean anything, they have include everyone. Which is why generally whole life terms are frowned upon by the EU, other human rights focussed organizations.
DishingOutDone · 13/11/2019 20:42
I didn't realise the documentary is being shown on BBC1 tonight in 3 parts (bizarrely all one after the other). And I hope there is outrage and continues to be outrage. But sadly I suspect the victim's daughter who calls him 'dad' is going to be drawn in to support his release.
SeperatedSwans · 13/11/2019 21:05
I work with SO's (sex offenders) other than pedophiles, re offending rates for those convicted of rape or sexual assault are relatively low compared to other offenders such as drugs/non violent crime/anti social behaviour.
They do have CBT based offender courses, that for many make them really delve in to why they committed the offence, past trauma, behaviour towards women and rehabilitation of SO's is comparatively good compared to other types of offences.
You very rarely hear of repeat rapists compared to drug offences for example.
They always tend to be MAPA cases are on a register for 5, 10 or life if the sentence is over 3 years which for many serious sex offences they are, so if anything they tend to keep their heads down.
Pedophiles however, are different as they are sexually attracted to children and it's near on impossible to "cure an attraction" sadly.
Sunnysidegold · 13/11/2019 21:23
@MrsTerryPratchett thank you for your post - it's really made me see beyond the narrow view I had about "life meaning life". I had thought about the twenty year old - 60 year sentence Vs sixty year old - 20 year sentence before but I appreciate your other points. Food for thought.
Gin96 · 13/11/2019 21:24
Most women who are murdered by their partners have a history of abuse.
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