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AIBU?

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What to do about critical ex-MIL

39 replies

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 06:10

I really don't know what to do and cant see the wood for the trees as I realise I am too close to this situation. So I don't drip feed, I will lay out the backstory, although maybe some isn't relevant?? im not sure.

I split from my ex 2.5 years ago. It wasn't amicable, - far from it, I left him. My MIL always disliked me despite my very best efforts to gain her approval. During our 21 year marriage, visits were always strained, lots of underhand passive aggressive nasty comments made to me, and my exDH never stood up for me. I never stood up to her until it was directed at my child. One incident when my eldest was 8 she started the silent treatment with her, and I cracked and told her her behaviour was unacceptable and I wouldn't allow it. This resulted in her leaving early and flouncing back to her home country, she never apologised or owned what she had done, and never spoke to me for years afterwards. After much pressure from my DH, I relented and I apologised to her (I know, Im a pushover!) and we continued as before - several long visits a year (3 weeks sometimes at a time), with lots of underhand passive aggressive comments. It used to cause me severe anxiety.

Anyway, several years later, I allowed my eldest daughter (12 at the time), to visit her in her country for a week solo. During that week, she was relentlessly vile about me to my daughter, accused me of being a monster, and my daughter (in full stroppy teen mode prior to the visit), came back a different person and our relationship was severely damaged by it. It took a long time for us to recover. My ex (who never stood up for me, let alone his children) barely said anything to her about it, and she essentially was not called out on it. Me and her never spoke from then on, and if she visited, she went to a local BnB and I left the house and never saw her and my DH and the kids saw her solo.

4 years later we divorced, and it was awful, she certainly fuelled the fires with that and made it a lot lot worse, and encouraged my exDH to behave unfairly towards me and show me no respect; she loathes me with a passion. That's all fair enough, I really don't care how she feels about me tbh, i dont need to know about it or deal with her at all anymore, and she is entitled to her opinion of me.

HOWEVER, i do care about her shouting that opinion to my children. Since the split, (its been 2.5 years) she has said awful things to all my children about me. Particularly the eldest who is now 19. She visits a couple of times a year, for a few weeks at a time. I have 100 per cent care of all my children, but my youngest DD's (9 and 11) usually visit their dad on a Saturday in the day for a 4-5 hours. My son, (18), speaks on messenger to her almost daily. They are very very close. And when she visits he stays the whole time at his dads with her there.

In January, ex-MIL visited and she said some pretty abhorrent stuff even for her to my children. She told my 11 year old that I was a terrible mother because I didn't punish her or send her to school (she is homeschooled as she has severe anxiety (especially around reading) and ASD, and severe dyslexia). She told her she will never get a job or learn to read properly (she still cant due to her issues and she has a specialist tutor for this). She said to my son,( who also has ASD and is very vulnerable), that I stole all his dads money (I didn't - he got the house), that I will be the cause of his poor dad breaking his back and becoming homeless (again this is not based on any sort of truth or logic), and again that Im a terrible mother because i don't punish etc. My DD (19) overheard her say to my exDH that she wishes I was dead and she hates me.

This really upset my children, particularly the two with special needs, and there were very confused. I spoke about it to my ex at the time and the usual minimising occurred. Prior to her next visit (which is now), over the past couple of months I have insisted this can never happen again, it is incredibly damaging, and I wont have it. He seemed to be, finally, on the same page. He reassured me over and over that he felt as strongly as I did, it couldn't go on, and he had had several words with her about it, and he was confident nothing would be said. So, I decided to allow them to visit and she has been here a week, with another to go.

MyDD (19) visited them at the weekend and has just informed me that over the weekend she said to her and her new boyfriend (who she had only just met) how awful I was for not punishing her siblings for a recent incident. And she went on and on about how terrible it was, and how I gave them no discipline. She then went, 'well you know how I feel about your mother, and started shaking her head'. My DD said, 'I don't want to talk about that as it upsets me', and my exMIL shook her head and walked off. She was very upset by this, and I asked her to please inform her dad immediately and this is serious as it shows she is not going to comply, and is likely to say negative things to her younger siblings. She told me she is scared to because her dad said prior to the visit, 'I don't want you to cause any trouble' and 'dont' share with your mum if you overhear anything'.

So --- here's my concern. My DS (18) is there now and still staying for the rest of the week. My DD(11) and DD (9), are due to visit for the day on Saturday.

So I guess this is a more WWYD? rather than AIBU.

Thank you all so much as I am one stressed mum right now.

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biggirlknickers · 12/11/2019 06:18

She sounds vile.

I’d be tempted to block access for the younger two DC to protect them from this, just while MIL is there.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 12/11/2019 06:25

I wouldn’t be sending my kids anywhere they would have poison dropped in their ears about me.

MsChatterbox · 12/11/2019 06:27

I would go no contact.

positivepixie · 12/11/2019 06:37

Seems pretty obvious that you do not send your two younger children to see her. Your ex has not backed you up which is not acceptable and this is the consequence which has been a very long time coming. The two older ones are entitled to make up their own mind but I would sit them down and be clear how you feel and have an open discussion about what they think about what she says. Better to have a grown up conversation than ignore or just get quietly upset.

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 06:41

I would very much like to withhold contact but it will cause a shitstorm of epic proportions Either now when she is here, or afterwards. My ex DH will not take it lying down, he will create merry hell, and probably turn up at my house to collect my DC's, and will tell my DCs that im stopping them seeing their DG.

She can be lovely to them and spoils them, so they probably would want to go.

And my DS (18), gets so much out of his contact with her, he adores her, and he has learnt to dodge her nasty comments or change the subject, but he shouldn't have to do that.

Would you make an excuse for this weekend, let her go back home, then tell exDH this is the last time and why? How do I approach it with him in order to do this as peacefully as possible?

He will argue, Im sure, that she has said something to an adult (our DD), not to one of the smaller DC so shes done nothing wrong. I think that is what he will say.

You can probably tell, he still scares me greatly, and I fear his reaction.

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AlwaysCheddar · 12/11/2019 06:41

Don’t send the younger ones. Simple. She’s vile.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 12/11/2019 06:46

Let ExH be angry. He can rant all he likes on the other side of your door and if he becomes threatening then you call the police.

She is a vile woman and you need to protect your kids from her. This has been a long time coming.

Firstawake · 12/11/2019 06:49

This is emotional abuse .

Novemberblu3s · 12/11/2019 06:52

just block contact for the younger ones.

do you have sole custody for them?

Cherrysoup · 12/11/2019 06:57

Parental alienation. Isn’t that illegal now? I would refuse to send the younger two. Let there be a shit storm. You need to protect your kids.

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 07:19

November

They have been with me 100 per cent since January this year, 50/50 officially (more like 70/30 in my favour) the 18 months prior.

Its interesting that it seems unanimous to go NC for the younger ones, yet im made to feel like a hysterical nutjob by exDH.

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badassbitch · 12/11/2019 07:25

If I question him on anything he makes threats regarding custody and it terrifies me.

His grounds are that just prior to the divorce and during, I had a nervous breakdown and tried to kill myself. The children are unaware of this, and I continued to care for them throughout. His other grounds are that I homeschool and courts where I live don't generally like that. He claims im a terrible parent too because im too soft, he doesn't agree with my DDs diagnosis and thinks I pander to her. I guess all his criticisms over the years, even though ive left him, still scare me that the powers that be may believe him - that I am a terrible parent - and I will lose them.

Hence why I try so hard not to 'rock the boat'.

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Novemberblu3s · 12/11/2019 07:27

yet im made to feel like a hysterical nutjob by exDH

he is your nutjob ex for a reason.

Soontobe60 · 12/11/2019 07:29

Your older children are adults. It’s their choice to go or not, not yours.
You cannot stop your younger two from going to their fathers. What happens there with his mother is out of your control. Do you question your dc when they return from his house? Despite what you say she says to them, they still want to see her so she isn’t having that much of an impact on them. Are you worried that they’ll think badly of you as a mother?

Summercamping · 12/11/2019 07:32

You are a good parent and the courts will see that, if it comes to that. Defend yourself, you should not have to deal with this shit.

And explain the situation to your kids, appropriate to their age, why this is happening. Don't let them believe their granny is a sweet old lady when she is anything but.

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 07:42

Soontobe60

That's an interesting perspective. I have felt that at times myself, and also maybe give her no power by worrying about it. My children are with me 99 per cent of the year, and with her such a minimal amount so who cares what she says? I also felt maybe send them and just coach them to deal with her comments and move on. Easier for my DD 9 than DD 11 because she has ASD and anxiety and is hyper sensitive. Ive encouraged them to take the 'good' from her - because there is good and they do enjoy being with her, but I know the comments can be damaging too. As I said, my DD 19 was deeply impacted by her trip there. My DD(11) was upset and confused for a while after her last visit and she occasionally brings it up. she would still probably say yes to seeing her though.

I dont question my DC when they return - they tell me. They always come back with questions that make it hard for me to answer. Im not worried they will think badly of me as a mother at all - not being arrogant but they think im the cats pj's :D- I ust worry that it upsets them and is causing them harm, some of which may be under the surface. i also worry that the message is that its ok for someone to be so outright disrespectful of me. I don't think that healthy.

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badassbitch · 12/11/2019 08:07

Soontobe60

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Smelborp · 12/11/2019 08:17

It’s clearly not a healthy situation. I’m not sure where you are that views home schooling as negative so there may be other cultural issues at play.

The daughter that was 12 and came back with a damaged relationship - how are things with her now? I wonder if she could help with explaining things to the younger ones?

I’m wondering whether it would be worth before the younger ones visit (if that’s what you choose) buoy them up with positive messages and explain that they may hear grandma saying things about you and have an age appropriate discussion about why.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 08:28

Do not let them go over.
It's emotional abuse and by letting them go over you are facilitating that abuse.

Are you in the Uk?

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 08:37

Im in Australia. Homeschooling is legal, but if parents don't agree courts will rule in favour of school usually. My DD 11 would not be able to cope with school at all.

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 08:58

Does Aus take note of status quo?
For example she has been homeschooled and predominantly in your care for X amount of years?

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 09:00

They do - they love status quo. But they do favour 'conservative' ways of doing things, especially when parents disagree.

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badassbitch · 12/11/2019 09:02

Smelborp

My DD 19 and I have a fantastic relationship now, but it suffered for many years due to the parental alienation spread from my ex DH and my ex MIL.

She still has a relationship with them both, but shes guarded.

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 09:04

Ah.
So you've basically got to choose between short term emotional abuse a few times a year or god knows what trauma caused by your children being forced into the public schools :(

Can you and your older DD sit down and ensure that she stays with them at all times and makes sure that she speaks up.
'Gramdma that's not nice, do not speak about my mother like that. Biscuit?'

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 12/11/2019 09:09

By granting her access you are enabling her to spout vile crap at your children....do you really need to ask what you should do?

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