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What to do about critical ex-MIL

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badassbitch · 12/11/2019 06:10

I really don't know what to do and cant see the wood for the trees as I realise I am too close to this situation. So I don't drip feed, I will lay out the backstory, although maybe some isn't relevant?? im not sure.

I split from my ex 2.5 years ago. It wasn't amicable, - far from it, I left him. My MIL always disliked me despite my very best efforts to gain her approval. During our 21 year marriage, visits were always strained, lots of underhand passive aggressive nasty comments made to me, and my exDH never stood up for me. I never stood up to her until it was directed at my child. One incident when my eldest was 8 she started the silent treatment with her, and I cracked and told her her behaviour was unacceptable and I wouldn't allow it. This resulted in her leaving early and flouncing back to her home country, she never apologised or owned what she had done, and never spoke to me for years afterwards. After much pressure from my DH, I relented and I apologised to her (I know, Im a pushover!) and we continued as before - several long visits a year (3 weeks sometimes at a time), with lots of underhand passive aggressive comments. It used to cause me severe anxiety.

Anyway, several years later, I allowed my eldest daughter (12 at the time), to visit her in her country for a week solo. During that week, she was relentlessly vile about me to my daughter, accused me of being a monster, and my daughter (in full stroppy teen mode prior to the visit), came back a different person and our relationship was severely damaged by it. It took a long time for us to recover. My ex (who never stood up for me, let alone his children) barely said anything to her about it, and she essentially was not called out on it. Me and her never spoke from then on, and if she visited, she went to a local BnB and I left the house and never saw her and my DH and the kids saw her solo.

4 years later we divorced, and it was awful, she certainly fuelled the fires with that and made it a lot lot worse, and encouraged my exDH to behave unfairly towards me and show me no respect; she loathes me with a passion. That's all fair enough, I really don't care how she feels about me tbh, i dont need to know about it or deal with her at all anymore, and she is entitled to her opinion of me.

HOWEVER, i do care about her shouting that opinion to my children. Since the split, (its been 2.5 years) she has said awful things to all my children about me. Particularly the eldest who is now 19. She visits a couple of times a year, for a few weeks at a time. I have 100 per cent care of all my children, but my youngest DD's (9 and 11) usually visit their dad on a Saturday in the day for a 4-5 hours. My son, (18), speaks on messenger to her almost daily. They are very very close. And when she visits he stays the whole time at his dads with her there.

In January, ex-MIL visited and she said some pretty abhorrent stuff even for her to my children. She told my 11 year old that I was a terrible mother because I didn't punish her or send her to school (she is homeschooled as she has severe anxiety (especially around reading) and ASD, and severe dyslexia). She told her she will never get a job or learn to read properly (she still cant due to her issues and she has a specialist tutor for this). She said to my son,( who also has ASD and is very vulnerable), that I stole all his dads money (I didn't - he got the house), that I will be the cause of his poor dad breaking his back and becoming homeless (again this is not based on any sort of truth or logic), and again that Im a terrible mother because i don't punish etc. My DD (19) overheard her say to my exDH that she wishes I was dead and she hates me.

This really upset my children, particularly the two with special needs, and there were very confused. I spoke about it to my ex at the time and the usual minimising occurred. Prior to her next visit (which is now), over the past couple of months I have insisted this can never happen again, it is incredibly damaging, and I wont have it. He seemed to be, finally, on the same page. He reassured me over and over that he felt as strongly as I did, it couldn't go on, and he had had several words with her about it, and he was confident nothing would be said. So, I decided to allow them to visit and she has been here a week, with another to go.

MyDD (19) visited them at the weekend and has just informed me that over the weekend she said to her and her new boyfriend (who she had only just met) how awful I was for not punishing her siblings for a recent incident. And she went on and on about how terrible it was, and how I gave them no discipline. She then went, 'well you know how I feel about your mother, and started shaking her head'. My DD said, 'I don't want to talk about that as it upsets me', and my exMIL shook her head and walked off. She was very upset by this, and I asked her to please inform her dad immediately and this is serious as it shows she is not going to comply, and is likely to say negative things to her younger siblings. She told me she is scared to because her dad said prior to the visit, 'I don't want you to cause any trouble' and 'dont' share with your mum if you overhear anything'.

So --- here's my concern. My DS (18) is there now and still staying for the rest of the week. My DD(11) and DD (9), are due to visit for the day on Saturday.

So I guess this is a more WWYD? rather than AIBU.

Thank you all so much as I am one stressed mum right now.

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 09:15

Read above. The Ex is petty and sounds like he will hurt his children to get to OP.
If she pisses him off. He could force her children into public school.

If this was the Uk then OP would probably be fine. But Aus could behave very differently.

Can you get legal advice this week?

TheMidasTouch · 12/11/2019 09:26

WWID? There is no way I would allow my youngest daughters to visit exH while their GM is there. I would not give a toss about my ex creating "merry hell". I would care more about the damage done to my children.

You are being far too passive and you have to take responsibility for your children's emotional well-being. I would not care whether they want to see her or not. You need to protect your children from all harm.

Your other children are already damaged. I can't believe that at the age of 12, you allowed your eldest to visit her GM alone in a foreign country knowing what a nasty person she is. FFS, she'd given her the silent treatment when she was 8 and your dd will not have been deaf to her passive-aggressiveness.

When she told you that she was scared because her dad said prior to the visit, "I don't want you to cause any trouble" and "dont' share with your mum if you overhear anything" you should have immediately taken your exH to task. Fgs, she is frightened of him. That is not normal.

As for your DS contacting his GM every day, considering what her behaviour is like, I would be worried about him. Why, when he hears the nasty stuff she spouts, does he adore her. It is not a appropriate response to adore someone who is so nasty to their mother and sisters. He sees that his DF doesn't call out his mum on her behaviour and l'd fear for his behaviour towards others on the future.

I think you all need therapy to deal with the family dynamics but you need to step up, right this minute, and start protecting all of your children, something which you should have done much earlier.

gingerscot · 12/11/2019 09:37

Surely if your ex starts with the “breakdown/ homeschooling/will take the kids from you” routine, you point out that yet despite that, for the best part of a year he’s been happy for you to have 100% care so clearly no genuine worry and just an attempt to control? I’m sure courts would see that too?

badassbitch · 12/11/2019 09:58

gingerscot do you think so? I hope you are right.

TheMidasTouch sadly I think you are right. I was bullied into contact for years, and made to feel that if I complained I was 'making a fuss' and 'being spiteful' by my ex DH. I feel very much like I let her down hugely, and I don't want this to happen to my younger two.

I am worried about my DS and my eldest DD. I worry that they tolerate it, minimise it, and don't want to make a fuss. I worry that its been normalised in their upbringing that its ok for people to criticise and put mum down (one of the reasons I left DH), and i worry about why they still like being with her despite these nasty comments (that do upset them, then they are back to all nicey-nicey again). It hurts that no one seems to have any loyalty to me, or want to stand up to her for me. Is that normal? I don't know. It wasn't role-modeled that's for sure.

As for immediately taking my ex to task about what he said to DD - I plan to, shes begged me to wait until her DG leaves, but it will fall on deaf ears. He will make out she lied and he will dismiss it. Its pointless.

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badassbitch · 12/11/2019 12:56

For whoever it was who asked, my DD19 has said she doesn't feel comfortable standing up for her sisters, or talking to her dad, or her granny about how this makes her feel. She says she feels her siblings are my responsibility and that she is scared of any sort of confrontation with her granny or DF about it.

She says although she hates what her DG has said about me in the past and now, she tries not to think about it, and would rather just have a low contact relationship and bat off any negative comments, although they do stress her, but she loves her and still wants her in her life.

The other thing of concern is she bitches about my kids TO my kids as well, not just about me. EG, she fired up a convo about my DD11 (who wasn't there), and was bitching about her to my two eldest who were squirming apparently, but neither stopped her. It makes me sad that they aren't more loyal tbh.

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 12/11/2019 12:59

It must hurt but they're effectively following the example that has been set. They are just products of their environment.

badassbitch · 24/11/2019 00:39

So since I posted this thread, I have been to psychologist regarding my son, and she is supporting no contact. I sent an email to my ex explaining what she said - in a nutshell, that due to his special needs, even though he is 18 he cannot make this choice for himself, and he needs support to go no contact. He is highly vulnerable and him, the girls, and the family shouldn't have to suffer due to her behaviour. There has been fall out since he has come back from the visit (as there always is). Lots of positives as well, as per usual, but a lot of unpacking around what has been said. Lots of negative talk about his sister, how I parent, how we live. We shouldn't have to deal with it.

I have relayed all of this to the ex and made it explicit that there is to be no further contact. He has refused to discuss it unless it is face to face. This may seem like a reasonable request given the severity of the issue, and for a reasonable person I would agree of course. But he has form for using 'discussion about the children', to see me and then spends the whole time sexually harassing me and changing the subject. I said im not comfortable with meeting him, I said if he must discuss it it will have to be in the psych office together. Ive heard nothing since.

What do I do now?
My girls visit him in the day every Saturday, and my son goes on Saturday and stays the night. During that time, he will allow then to speak to and video chat granny at length.

I know everyone is saying they 'wouldn't allow contact', but how? If I say to my ex they aren't going to his until I have confirmation he will follow psychologist advice then I am essentially withholding them from their father. If this got to court this wouldn't go well. And of course if it got to court he would then push for them to go back to school. I also don't want to withhold them from their dad. Although he is not behaving protectively they would miss him.

I don't know what to do for the best.

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violetbunny · 24/11/2019 01:13

I think you need legal advice, OP.

badassbitch · 24/11/2019 04:02

i cant afford legal advice sadly.

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badassbitch · 24/11/2019 04:03

Im in Australia, by the way.

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Shesalittlemadam · 24/11/2019 04:27

You have explained your reasons to him in writing. If he took you to court (costs thousands!) they would take this into consideration and you'd be seen as safeguarding your child!
Also, your kids are homeschooled due to their needs. I doubt the courts would want to disrupt their routine by sending them back to school. Their ASD will be considered.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2019 05:04

Can you not talk to the psychologist about your younger children?

badassbitch · 24/11/2019 05:52

My sons psychologist advised for all the children not to have contact. I can get her to write a report if necessary.

My 11 year old with ASD and anxiety, has seen a psychologist and I have a report from two actually recommending homeschooling.

My 9 year old is medically signed off at present and has been for a year, due to a long-term medical issue.

I think I just have to withhold for the greater good and let him fight me in court. That's what it is there for afterall.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 25/11/2019 01:31

That sounds like a plan tbh. If the psychologist states nc, I would have thought the courts will be able to judge there is something wrong. It would be getter if she had met and assessed the children or someone independent could do so of course.

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