Rees Mogg uses common sense to flee burning building.

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Or, he would, if he were to find himself in that situation. Having previously insulted the medical knowledge and expertise of a leading neurologist, he now advises ignoring fire service advice, saying those who died in Grenfell lacked common sense and should have left the building. AIBU to say this man's ignorance is an embarrassment and he is unfit for public service?

Rees Mogg should use his common sense to resign.

He's a decent man

I've yet to see any evidence for this.

Every time he opens his mouth, I think Nye Bevan was probably right about Tories.

I think he meant they were given bad advice from the fire brigade HQ

That was my take on it.

Nobody in their right mind should give him any attention.

He said it would have been good advice except that they didn't know about the cladding. With the benefit of hindsight, it was bad advice. All factual from what I can see. And yes, I listened to it. Relevant bit starts at minute 24.

Listened to James O'Brien on LBC this morning trying desperately to whip up a frenzy about it with his faux sympathy and virtue signalling, that was truly sickening.

Well is basically blaming the victims and making out they were thick and stupid.No one knows how they would behave in that situation but they were following instructions by the fire service. Its a pretty insensitive thing to say and just shows how he views working class and poor people.
Whats going to happen now is that if theres a fire in a tower block then everyone will evacuate as no one will have an faith in any instructions from professionals.

As I said before, the people who survive plane crashes, train crashes, getting lost in the jungle, are often the ones who do not stay put , even if it's against the expected behaviour.

Maybe you just hear about those people more?

You tend to hear a lot about people staying against evacuation orders/suggestions and then if they die due to the event- nothing much afterwards.

I know that's to Ray Mears that if I ever get lost on a desert I stay with the vehicle and prefeable set fire to the tires because the people that follow the advice are ones who get found people who wonder off almost certainly won't.

People really need to stop apologising for and minimising the behaviour of this sick fuck of a man.

He hates you. He hates anyone that doesn't have his money and privilege and that's a lot of people. He believes it is your fault that you don't have his money and privilege. He thinks you are practically a different species and he's happy to treat you with contempt because of that.

There is nothing fucking decent about him. He's a cunt.

Surely there is a world of difference between saying what HE would have done and implying the residents were stupid because they didn't try to get out?

But why would he be talking about what he would have done?

It would never have happened to him, because the buildings he lives in are made to much higher standards.

Why is he making a terrible tragedy all about himself?

He's a cunt.

He's a joke, most people in fires die from smoke inhalation - so walking down the stairs engulfed in smoke isn't really an option

Let's stick to the facts JRM it was the housing, therefore the local council, therefore the government who failed these
People, not themselves, not the fire service

He's an arse. But... The stay put advice has been roundly declared as outdated & is considered to have added to loss of lives at Grenfell (& the other London tower block fire 2years before it, where due to structure & weather, "the fire behaved in an unusual way & spread along & not up) ". The Dubai system where every occupant gets a 'get out' text at the first sign of fire has been shown to evacuate similar size tower blocks with every age of resident, in under 10mins. (I understand 'stay put' is due to concerns residents would collapse in halls or on fire escapes & there would be further loss of life). I really think this should be considered as the UK model going forward. Under 10mins is going to be hopefully before a major fire could spread.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/insight/special-investigation--the-lost-lessons-of-lakanal-how-politicians-missed-the-chance-to-stop-grenfell-61834

I listened to the original broadcast and to his pathetic apology. IMO he said exactly what he meant to Ferarri. "You and I Nick, are proper chaps, men of the world, jolly clever sorts who plough our own furrow and don't have to listen to the little people, or indeed to anyone. We are perfectly capable of taking control of any situation and sizing up the best options in a moment using our superior man intelligence and instinctive sense of the right thing to do. We would have led our family to safety within moments of realising what was happening. Unlike inferior human beings who have to be told what to do by uneducated jobsworth oiks who think wearing a uniform gives them power over other people we do what needs doing to protect our own because God and good breeding trumps all other considerations."

He might not have used those exact words, but that is what he meant.

The comment in context here at 23:47 (30 minute phone-in with JRM);

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/ring-rees-mogg/ring-rees-mogg-jacob-rees-moggs-phone-in-4nov19/

He believes it is your fault that you don't have his money and privilege.

Not quite, Aug 2019;
"The idea of free personal care is backed by unlikely political bedfellows, including Jacob Rees-Mogg and the Policy Exchange thinktank on the right and Andy Burnham, the Labour mayor of Manchester, and the IPPR thinktank on the left."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/01/promising-to-fix-social-care-could-cost-boris-johnson-dearly

And if they did give a shit the enquiry wouldnt be arse about face. The first part of the enquiry should have been about the lead up to the fire covering how they were ignored and even threatened with legal action when they raised issues with the refurb and the safety concerns with the refurb. Ive been warning for many years how social housing tenants are ignored and told to put up and shut up when it comes to these issues.

This ^

He should be taking responsibility for the poor standard of social housing and the don't give a shit attitude of the government, rather than trying to foist the blame onto the fire brigade, who risked their own lives and had to face this horrific situation

Well yes. Someone's going to have to look after Nanny when she's released.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/grenfell-tower-victims-poisoned-cyanide-insulation-released/

Cyanide gas released by burning insulation on Grenfell Tower could have contributed to the deaths of some of the 79 victims, it has emerged.
...
King's College Hospital confirmed to Sky News that three of its 12 Grenfell patients were treated with Cyanokit, the hydrogen cyanide antidote

It’s widely known that the inhalation of toxic gas within smoke accounts for most deaths and injuries within fire, and yet fire toxicity in construction materials is completely under-regulated.

I am suprised by the poor building regulations that seem to have been allowed - even apart from the lack of testing of cladding being used on such buildings.

I agree with @Clavinova
J'oB was on his high horse today misrepresenting it too, so that he could continue his virtue signalling as to how amazing and sensitive he is.

He’s a wicked human being representing a gang of amoral greedy self-serving sociopaths.

trying to foist the blame onto the fire brigade, who risked their own lives and had to face this horrific situation

He says the opposite of that;
"the one thing we can do is say how much we admire individual firefighters"... "can you imagine the bravery"... "their heroism should not be ignored, undermined, forgotten..."

I disagree about the comments re the way round of the report. Having read large chunks of it over the weekend, I believe it is sound to particularly identify the factors that did contribute to the event and the deaths of all those people to provide clear lines of enquiry for phase 2.

Some examples of theories that have been ruled out by Phase 1 is the role of gas and electricity which were found not to have contributed despite some people thinking they may have.

The main causes were the cladding and how that came to be on the building, the stay put advice and delay in revoking the advice and the total failure of fire safety measures such as smoke extraction, fire doors etc in the building, accurate emergency planning and records and why these were not maintained. It means that all attention can focus clearly on the relevant lines of enquiry and not be delayed or bogged down.

There were power surges before the fire for years. They may or may not have been the cause. But there was still the RISK of a fire due to this and that risk was ignored , played down and minimized.

The fact that the electrical problems may not have caused the fire is down to luck. Why is it okay to ignore tenants when they raise safety issues and then come it with the attitude.......well this wasnt the cause/nothing happened due to the electrics so its all good.

He’s a decent man.

Is that you Moggy.

I don't think they are ignoring the tenants. I do think that it makes sense to work backwards from the events on the night to uncover the truth.

The reported electrical surges are mentioned in the report, and while they did not contribute to the actual fire they, along with the self closing fire doors that didn't work and the out of date floor plans that were nowhere to be found among other things, point to a poorly maintained and managed building. This will form part of the next stage of the inquiry.

He might not have used those exact words, but that is what he meant.
He didn't use words anything like those, not even recognisably close. They are your words, saying what you imagine he said, which therefore say something about you and nothing about him.