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To think that the Wren kitchens sales model is almost mis-selling ? (Apologies for long post)

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albertcamus · 04/11/2019 17:48

So we’ve wasted 12 hours + going through the Wren Kitchens sales process, and have just cancelled our deposit payment. Maybe I’m being naïve, but I thought that the laws around selling were designed for the customer to get a clear price and a fair, transparent deal … but that’s not what we got at all. Our house is 18 years old and the kitchen’s beginning to look tired, so we chose Wren to quote for a replacement, hoping it would be a straightforward and price-inclusive process. We’re keeping the floor, doing our own decorating and required only a new dishwasher in terms of appliances; the ‘new kitchen’ is just replacement of existing cupboards and worktop, with Tek-board instead of tiling, and no change at all to the current design.

Step 1 involves a ‘Surveyor’ coming out; he was a nice guy who seemed to know what he was talking about technically, spent over an hour taking measurements and photos etc.

Step 2 is the showroom visit: based on the measurements taken by the ‘Surveyor’, your ‘Kitchen Designer’ salesperson shows you the cupboard, worktop and other material options. You are plied with cups of tea, shown 3-D and VR mockups (neither of which actually worked, but whatever), then given a heart-stopping price which dramatically falls with all the current ‘Special Offers’ applied – in our case it came down by 40%. It was still painfully-high, but we hoped that the high price reflected a no-hassle fitting service. When asked if this was a full and final fitted price, the salesperson replied evasively: ‘We send out an Engineer to check that everything you’ve chosen is OK for installation, but it’s rare for there to be any more costs.’

So far, so good; we paid the deposit, but asked for this ‘Engineer’ [how I hate the abuse of this word] to come out quickly so that any issues could be identified and we could be clear on the full price. So today he came out; it turns out that he’s not a Wren employee but an independent subcontractor. I was working in another room, but my bullshit radar was activated within the first five minutes, and I could hear my husband adopt his ‘I know you’re an idiot, but I’m too nice not to be polite to you’ voice.

Thirty minutes of nonsense and verbal diarrhoea later, according to the ‘Engineer’ we required re-plastering in preparation for the Tek-board due to the current tiles needing to be removed, vast amounts of electrical work despite everything going exactly into the current places etc. etc. No skip would be provided during the works, and the kitchen would be out of action for three weeks. So nowhere for rubbish to go, no kitchen for weeks and significant extra labour costs.

I said that we were already paying a high price for the kitchen, and had not expected all these additional costs, especially as an initial ‘survey’ had been completed and technical drawings etc. had all been made. He clearly did not like a mere woman bursting his bubble and flounced out.

We phoned Wren to cancel and ask for our deposit to be refunded, were put through to the Sales Manager who tried desperately to keep our business; it took 40 minutes of persistence to get our legal right, the refund, agreed to.

On reflection it’s pretty clear that the guy who turned up today is paid a low contractor rate by Wren and is therefore keen to invent unnecessary add-ons to increase his profit. Nothing he claimed was necessary was actually needed, and the additional costs were considerable.

I think that this sales model is mendacious, manipulative and capitalises on customers’ lack of time and technical knowledge to squeeze as much money as possible out of them. To me, the system borders on mis-selling in that we were led to believe that one (high) price quoted in the showroom would cover supply and installation with no hassle, when in reality we would have ended up paying a good few thousand pounds extra.

I’m quite disgusted that a household name company behaves in this way, and am now off to Howdens in the hope of better business ethics. Thanks for reading, please tell me if I am BU to feel that this is not a good sales model?

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Passthebubbly · 04/11/2019 17:53

Absolutely not a good sales model and also not in line with the service I had with wren. Was dubious going with them as heard so many stories like this but our experience was great from start to finish. I wonder if it’s a post code lottery? Have heard great things about Howdens

MargeryB · 04/11/2019 17:54

If you look at wren reviews very many of the negative ones are about their sub contracted fitters rather than the product itself. You may get a better result if you find your own fitter and then but just the kitchen from wren. I believe you need your own fitter for Howdens anyway.

Yarboosucks · 04/11/2019 17:56

We have just had a Wren kitchen installed and we found them to be very good. I was reluctant to go to Wren as I am a bit of a brand snob. However, I was proved to be wrong. We have a very old house (16th century) and there is not a right-angle in the place. The floors slope, the walls are crooked and mage of brick and timber frame. We did not have any extras except for some rather clever design ideas. The contractors who fitted the kitchen were all fantastic and really keen to rise to the challenge of our old house.

albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:01

Thanks for the replies - it does seem like a postcode lottery, definitely. Glad yours have worked out, though :)

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Doormat247 · 04/11/2019 18:07

My friend had similar issues as you with Wren, but stupidly paid them to carry on the work.
She was also talked into buying their appliances as she was told her perfectly decent ones 'wouldn't fit' due to their designs needing specific models Hmm.
Anyway, roll on to when it's all finished several weeks later - and she hated it. The wonderful appliances didn't work properly and Wren refused to replace or fix them.

After seeing the results of her very expensive kitchen, I wouldn't touch Wren with a barge pole.

Wasrelaxing · 04/11/2019 18:08

I have to chime in and say that we had an excellent service from Wren, again was very wary due the online reviews but we chose our own builder, had the wren surveyor come in, sat in the showroom for many hours over 2 weeks getting everything right and checking with the builder and then spent a week getting the price down to the bare bones.
The deliver and instal was great, we had items over that wren came and collected and refunded us. No hassle.

howu2 · 04/11/2019 18:13

Omg I cancelled my order cos of all of this non sense from the fitter they sent. Ended up with Bowden's with a cheaper deal and local builders. The guy who came around tried to make us pay loads of extras and I was like no way and cancelled the next day.

albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:14

Interesting Doormat, that's a shame for your friend.

It does seem like it's best to get your own fitter from all of your replies. Thanks for reading & replying.

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Freaking0ut · 04/11/2019 18:21

We had a Wren kitchen. Chose a kitchen and as we were naive first time renovators, we went with their ‘fitting service’. This turned out to be a subcontracted builder who was basically a cowboy. They came in on day 1, ripped our kitchen out so it was an absolute shell, and the demanded £2000 before they would carry on. They hadn’t actually done anything apart from remove the old kitchen! It was horribly stressful. After the kitchen was finished, they also took quite a large piece of solid wood worktop away with them which we never saw again, despite asking numerous times. I look back now and think we should have gone to town with a complaint to Wren but I was so exhausted by the whole thing that I just wanted it all over. Incidentally, we never heard from Wren again once they’d sold us the kitchen, no after care or follow up. It was almost as if they knew that it would be shit and they’d better avoid us 🙄

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 04/11/2019 18:24

I wasn't too impressed with the showroom staff but our sub contracters were great. They coped with being micro managed by FiL (civil engineer, project managed lots of very big buildings and all round perfectionist), they built me a build in bookcase for my cookery books out of leftover bits and they dealt with the flaws of our old house with all it's crooked lines.

6 years and 2 children later, the kitchen is holding up really well and my SiL used them for lots of work on our recommendation which she was really happy with (not sure they were too happy to see FiL again though).

Sarcelle · 04/11/2019 18:28

We had a kitchen from Wickes and used one of their recommended sub-contractors to fit. Fully anticipated a stressful time but it was all done very well with good customer service. The fitter was a perfectionist and came back when something came loose a few months after fitting. He came the same evening even though he was off on holiday at 4am the next morning. With Wickes you pay the sub-contractor separately and you don't pay either of them until the end and you are satisfied. Everything was streamlined. Mess minimal, skip provided (hippo bag) and it was picked up a few days after the kitchen was fitted.

albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:29

Wow, Freaking, that's really stressful. We've had a lucky escape, today's bloke sounded just like this. I can imagine them wearing you down.

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albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:33

It's definitely sounding like the sub-contractor route is the way to go.

Thanks to all so far for reading and replying.

What I object to is the cynical advantage-taking of customers, but I suppose that's business.

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cptartapp · 04/11/2019 18:33

We had no problem with Wren. The quote for fitting was extortionate though so DH with time on his hands (and zero experience), did it himself, although it took months. The guys who came to fit the worktop were great. Really pleased with the quality. Sourced our own appliances.

EddieVeddersfoxymop · 04/11/2019 18:38

Same happened to us OP, we were given an eye watering price, which fell by 40% ish but only if we signed up by 8pm that evening. We were hounded over the phone all evening with promises that the deposit can be refunded if we changed our mind. They were evasive about fitting costs, told us we couldn't have a dishwasher (what?!?) and wanted to charge 75 quid per appliance just to plug them in.
In the end we asked them to stop phoning us, and got a design/quote from a local independent who not only beat Wrens price, but beat it with bells on! Solid German kitchen, silestone worktops, all new neff appliances, electrics and plumbing moved, fitting at a fixed price.....5k under wrens price for no dishwasher and laminate worktops. Wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.

Stacerini · 04/11/2019 18:39

I know of two people who went with Wren’s kitchens and in both cases were left with a half-finished kitchen. They just stopped coming. Both had to shell out for independent kitchen fitters to finish their kitchens in the end. I would count yourself lucky that you’ve dodged a bulletin, OP.

Stacerini · 04/11/2019 18:39

Bullet*

albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:51

EddieVeddersfoxymop thanks for that, you've made my evening ! I'm hoping we will get a good result with Howdens or another alternative.

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albertcamus · 04/11/2019 18:52

Stacerini we've had a lucky escape !

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Sickoffamilydrama · 04/11/2019 18:53

I know they don't have the prestige of wren but you can't beat Ikea.

We have a 7 year old kitchen from Ikea and people still think it's new it's lasted really well. We went to Howdens and a few others and found that by going the Ikea route we saved at least £5000, the things that make a kitchen great and look expensive is the way it's fitted and the little added extras and the worksurface.

Suze1621 · 04/11/2019 18:58

My neice had a similar issue with Howden's. She was replacing like for like units, no layout change and knew exactly what she wanted. Price including fitting all agreed. Fitter arrived, old kitchen removed and then demanded almost double the price to do the work or leave her with no kitchen for Christmas! She told him where to go and made her own arrangements in the New Year.

TheQueef · 04/11/2019 19:00

It isn't business it's pressure selling.
I don't blame you cancelling Bert the time sensitive price and hours of planning plus the added extras are all dodgy tactics.
It'd put me off most things but especially a kitchen that will be used for 10+ years.

StreetwiseHercules · 04/11/2019 19:01

Howden’s don’t install and sell to trade only. You will need to find a kitchen fitted to but it from Howdens and fit it.

Not surprised by your tradesman experience with Wren. I find most of them to be absolute chancers, though electricians tend to be alright.

albertcamus · 04/11/2019 19:03

Mmmmmm, thanks to all so far, so pleased I went with my gut today.

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BearFoxBear · 04/11/2019 19:16

Our experience with Wren was just OK but we love the end result. We were given crap info by the fairly new salesperson but head office did rectify it/refund us quickly once I very firmly pointed out that it wasn't acceptable. The local subcontractor fitters were amazing - my 220 year old house doesn't have a straight line and they managed to make it look easy.

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