Bloody wanky neighbours

[Hereforinfo]

So here goes whether you believe or not believe me it’s all true.

My family were subjected to hate crime, being called spastics like our severely Autistic son, threats of violence, malicious communications, chants of we are all peados, sending people round to cause violence.

We reported all to police and didn’t want to get involved, saying it’s tit for tat, not providing any proof of this, police warned my husband when he wasn’t even present, he found this out at a later date when he reported something else.

We was physically attacked by other neighbours who were also calling us peodos, and came smashing on door.

Dh in garage on phone to 999, I thought he was outside so opened door, I got dragged out and dh saw this he came out on the phone, Shen tried snatching his phone, but didn’t get it, she spat in my face, and I pushed her back, whilst I wiped her spit from my face she dragged me down by my hair, dh put his arm around me and wasn’t getting me up when she bit him, and spat in his face.

Dh was wiping spit from his face when her partner put his hands up to my dh, my dh does martial arts, so he instantly went into combat stance, her partner then backed off, and as my dh turned to help me again he was hit from behind with a weapon causing injuries to his eye, and puncture wounds to his nose.

Police never attended in all that time, ambulance staff even stated that police should be here, and ambulance staff were verbally abused by the perpetrators.

So anyhow to apparent investigation, police say there is a witness who states I hit her first, which I believe to be biased, and is untrue as she has no marks and never reported to police either, and there is a video apparently which I would say is half way through, they state it shows my ds kicking the lady( he did this once) to help me it
Shows my dh being hit with no retaliation from him.

They then go on to say that, if we pursue the arrests of the perpetrators, we will be arrested for affray, because it shows my ds kicking he has special needs, he was just trying to help me but we was not the aggressors, nor was we fighting as they would have injuries which they don’t.

All children were present as we were moving out, all of them say the same, she spat at me, and dh was hit with a metal pointy object.

I don’t get any of it, I am missing my hair at the back because she pulled it out, my eye injury, and dh injuries.

Any help would be great, as police are crap.

Should we take our chances and be arrested, or let them get away with assaulting us?

Ds is 16.

Thank you amithough I was thinking the same, and dh definitely wants to go further and get arrested, so he can claim unlawful detention.

We have it on record with police, and we have all our cctv, and Audio recording.

If there are any typos I am sorry, I on,y got use of one eye at the moment. 😊

Were you taking pictures of their children OP?

No it was just recordings on my cctv, which they were on my property.

They made up lies so everyone would believe them, police didn’t quash rumours at all.

They were being anti social outside our property, and police even said its antisocial behaviour but did nothing about them.

I have pictures of perpetrators taking pictures of my kids whilst in the garden, he was filming ds who is 12 riding home from school.

Ds got recordings of them calling him a prick, whilst on his way home from school.

I have him swearing at my 8 yr old, even telling him to grow up, he also has special needs.

If an independent witness states you hit her first then this is what the Police will go on.

Good job you moved.

Ask a solicitor?

But we feel that witness is neighbour A, who started all the trouble in the first place, we feel the witness is not credible.

If I hit first, where are her injuries, she has made no reports at all.

We are the ones with all the injuries, and as police state my husband has not retaliated at all after he was hit with a weapon.

So where does it say in the justice system that hitting with a weapon is reasonable force, when my dh was on the phone to 999.

That sounds horrendous. Try and get free legal support. Maybe you can get a recording or transcript of the phone call for a start off. Have you been to see the citizens advice bureau, they may be able to give you advice and help finding legal representation but in honestly idk if they can help. Does your mp hold surgeries? Go and talk to them. Make a nuisance. The police shouldn’t be able to get away with this either.

dh definitely wants to go further and get arrested, so he can claim unlawful detention.

If he deliberately does something to provoke arrest, it won't be unlawful detention. Utterly stupid idea.

I have to admit, this all seems very confusing and odd. I have re-read all your posts several times and am struggling to understand the timeline.

So you were living in a house, quiet as mice and one day the neighbours started throwing things at your house, calling you paedophiles? One day, your husband who was in the garage, rang 999 and was on there for 10 minutes, then he took the CCTV camera down, which the neighbours saw and so someone came up from behind him and hit him with a pointy object which damaged his eyes and caused puncture wounds in his nose. But somewhere in there, you opened the door because you thought he was outside, but the neighbour dragged you out and at the same time tried to snatch your husband's phone but couldn't but managed to spit in both your faces. At some point your autistic son tried to help you and ended up kicking someone?

So many questions, but to start with a few:

What is audio CCTV?

Why was your husband already on a 999 call before it all kicked off, what was he ringing them for? Why did he take down the CCTV camera in the middle of you both being assaulted? What was he saying to the 999 operator who would definitely have sent the police if he was saying he / you were being attacked?

Who took the video that was "half way through" that showed the stuff that you had done. And how did you see it? Surely if it is video evidence, the Police will have watched it all. They wouldn't just look at the bit some random witness showed them.

Does your 12 year old record his entire bike journey every day? On what? Seems convenient he recorded the abuse. How come you have pictures of the neighbours filming your son, sounds like good timing. Also how did you record the abuse of the 8 year old?

But in the end, it seems like you have been moved, so are you still next to these neighbours or not? What advice are you seeking? If it's about your husband getting arrested for something then claiming unlawful detention. How on earth is that going to help your cause? It's just going to validate whatever your neighbours are saying! If they arrest him, it will be for a whatever he is doing wrong, how will it be unlawful detention?

Make sure you have pictures of your injuries.
Maybe a trip to A&E to log the injuries.

Audio CCTV is exactly what it says.

CCTV with audio (sound)

I would definitely press charges regardless of what the police say.

I think sometimes they try to stop people pressing charges because it is either they are themselves intimidated by one party and/or they don’t want the paperwork and spend the man hours sorting it.

I don’t think a kick is unreasonable force in self defence

@Hereforinfo keep in mind that many MNers have no experience with living in places where law and order isn't the norm. But some others do have experience and will only be able to tell you that you have 2 approaches and one of them DOES involve running from assholes like that as that can be the only way to regain your equilibrium.

If you choose to keep on trying to get the law we all deserve you could approach your MP and discuss it all with them, see if they have any avenues for you to explore.

But don't be surprised if the ony resolution you ever get is to move far enough away to never have to meet with any of them ever again! It is shit. Sink estates and the like are terrifying places to live if you are the one 'on the outs' and all too often there is no support, no safety net for those who get targetted.

Stay safe, make the best decision for you and your family. Good luck, whatever you choose to do.

@Oliversmumsarmy

Thanks for that, I was thinking it was just some kind of voice recording device rather than video with audio. Doh, it's a bit early, I really should have googled. I was just confused by the various "audio" AND "CCTV" recordings that the OP has mentioned. There seems to be a lot of them. I am sure the police would look at them / listen to them, unless there is a back story.

Honestly OP, it might not be a popular opinion but if you have now moved and are away from these people I would just let it go. As frustrating as it is I wouldn't put myself and my family through the stress of the police and the risk of any more incidents.

I know it's not right and I know they should be held accountable for the assault, but to be honest if they are as bad as you say they are then they won't be bothered about getting any criminal convictions anyway. People like that generally know how to play the system and they don't care.

If you have moved away then I would be tempted to let it go. If it is at all possible that your actions could be misinterpreted (ie: filming their children to prove your case but could be seen as recording children for other reasons).then you might be better off in just moving on. Do you have nicer neighbours now?

If you have moved away I would do nothing that continues this in any way, shape or form.
They sound terrible. Put it behind you.

I happen to agree with @grannybags as horrific a situation as you were in and as disgusting as your neighbours were and how awful your injuries were I would let it go. Try hard to move on with your lives and try and forget it all. With people like those and the police (who are obviously terrified of your old neighbours) you’re never going to “win”.
Just try as hard as you can to have a peaceful life in your new home.
Good luck x.

"If you have moved away I would do nothing that continues this in any way, shape or form.
They sound terrible. Put it behind you."
This. Don't waste your life getting wound up about unfair things that you can probably do nothing about.

Some.people on here will not have a clue what it can be like living in some areas. They live in a bubble so don't worry about people not believing you.

Ignore the paedo remarks that always comes out if you video kids. Its a way if detracting from their shite behaviour.

Go back to the council. Ring up and get a face to face about woth the anti-social behaviour department if they have one.

Go to the police. Write down in order everything that happened.

Good luck

If you have moved and they have no chance of finding out your new home i would let it go. If your still close and they can/will find you then i would take it all to the police and risk being arrested ( doubt you will ) if its going to be an ongoing issue get it sorted once and for all but if you can live in peace away from them then do that

Some of these comments are really unhelpful. Just because it sounds extreme doesnt mean its not true, have the posters who have said somthing is amiss ever lived in a rough area??

All it takes is 1 nasty scroat who people are scared of and others join in for A. The drama and B. So they dont get picked on!

I believe you but if the police are not behind you and the evidence is not clear cut then I would leave it.
I think it would take too much effort, time and money to turn it around, I have some experience of police behaviour.
I'm glad that you managed to move and get away from these people and I would put all the effort into building a new life, and pursuing it might bring them back into your lives .

how did your husband receive injuries to his eye & nose when he was hit from behind?

OP I am so very sorry to hear about your experiences, it sounds absolutely terrifying

These kinds of situations are not uncommon and can escalate into extremely serious situations involving angry mobs, even leading to murders

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/23/bijan-ebrahimi-murder-disability-hate-crime-police

I would very strongly advise you to seek legal advice from your local Citizens Advice centre and campaigning / support groups for people with disabilities.

There is a long and horrible history of vulnerable people with learning and physical disabilities being falsely accused of being paedophiles.

Also people often believe "there is no smoke without fire" and people filming mob attacks have been accused of filming children "because they are paedos". These situations can get out of control very quickly

I have some personal experience of something similar. My family of origin was neglectful and abusive including sexual abuse. A neighbour helped look out for me and my siblings when we were little, making us food when we were hungry and also reported my parents to social services. My parents response was to accuse the neighbour's husband of being a paedophile rapist, a crime of whihc, to my knowledge, he was completely innocent.

Please get help and support from supportive agancies ASAP. Sometimes the police need a kick up the arse to deal with these potentially dangerous situaitons before they get completely out of control

how did your husband receive injuries to his eye & nose when he was hit from behind? Can you not even begin to imagine how that could have happened? Or are you doubting the OP? In which case don't troll hunt, report!