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To think entering children early for GCSEs is wrong

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inthepacificocean · 03/11/2019 07:39

AIBU to be concerned about this practice? It means that children don’t have the same preparation time as their peers. I realise for some very talented individuals it might not make a difference but for the most part it doesn’t seem a positive move to me.

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FrankRattlesnake · 05/11/2019 08:42

I took my maths gcse a year early many many moons ago. I did ok with a b. I then had to take an A/O level as it wasn’t a case of us concentrating on other classes. Again ok with a c grade. By then I hated maths, but was guaranteed an a or b at a level - haha, I didn’t pass it. I hated every lesson and to be honest should have taken economics, but school were insistent.

I wouldn’t recommend the way they did it at my school and that was about 25 years ago.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 05/11/2019 17:04

Dd school do it for option subjects and English lit. No problem with options as they are two year courses and it takes pressure off in year 11. Do wonder about Englisg Lit as I think she may have benefited from an extra year.

iolaus · 05/11/2019 17:22

Both my daughters did their maths early - November rather than Summer (whole school did) - one got an A one got a B (both could have resit at the 'normal' time - both said no)

This year my son is doing his GCSEs - the school has decided not to enter anyone early in November but to wait till the summer - some parents are annoyed as they see it as a practice run with the option to resit

Piggywaspushed · 05/11/2019 18:35

God, poor old Eng Lit. It's no wonder its numbers are dropping like a stone at A Level.

HeyMissyYouSoFine · 05/11/2019 19:09

I do think doing Eng Lit in a very fast paced single year is putting DD1 off doing it at A-level.

I think otherwise she'd actually be enjoying it as it does play to her strengths and interests - I can't see her even thinking about doing it now and I think extra year of maturity would have been helpful with the GCSE.

LellyMcKelly · 05/11/2019 19:13

I did my maths at 14 and got a C. Went on to do a degree in computer science and now lecture in statistics. Didn’t do me any harm.

noblegiraffe · 05/11/2019 19:16

Well, getting a C at GCSE Maths at 14 would absolutely do harm, especially if you want to do comp sci at uni.

A C isn’t good enough for A-level maths, doing maths at 14 then no maths till A-level means you forget everything, and if you can’t do A-level maths because of a stupid early-entry policy, there are lots of comp sci uni courses that won’t accept you.

Piggywaspushed · 05/11/2019 19:25

When was that though lelly?

NewElthamMum13 · 05/11/2019 19:39

@Elbowedout I suppose it is harder for them to gauge how a student might manage a heavy workload if they have done GCSEs in several batches rather than all at once.

Iswym but if you're taking 3 or 4 A-levels simultaneously then that's certainly demonstrating ability to handle the workload more recently, and in a way which is more relevant to higher study than GCSEs. Most applicants will receive conditional offers, so their place is dependent on them handling the A-levels. It's interesting to hear what your contacts said - all I can say is that I've spoken to a number of people in university admissions and at outreach events, specifically for Russell Group and Oxbridge, and have been reviewing official statements on this, and there has been a strong message that GCSE timings just aren't that important. However, it's always possible that some people in admissions will take a different view, and for that reason I think it's a good idea to have some explanation of why exams were taken this way, ideally in an academic reference.

Back in the days of modular GCSEs where you could continue retaking one module to improve your grade, I can see why one might look askance at a strange GCSE profile. If it looked like a candidate was retaking multiple subjects to bump their grades up, you might want to know why. But them having finished by sitting say 5 or 6 GCSEs as opposed to 10 isn't going to make much difference if they are taking their A-levels together.

I agree that the declining popularity of AS - levels has made GCSEs more important. It is still possible for candidates to enter AS levels and some persuade their schools to do this, or enter as private candidates, if they feel they have been on an upward trajectory since GCSEs.

There's a really interesting document from LSE which explains how they compare things like GCSEs, A-levels, applicant background etc. Can dig out if people are interested.

NewElthamMum13 · 05/11/2019 20:17

@Elbowedout just saw that you were talking about 10 years ago. Some schools had quite different approaches which were designed to game the league tables. At that time, getting the magic C grade was the priority, so some schools would routinely enter candidates early for exams, keep entering them until they had banked a grade C, then allow them to drop the subject. The government research on early exam entry found that this was disruptive and demoralising and that comparable students did less well under this system even if resits were included, than those who took their GCSEs in year 11.

Bluerussian · 05/11/2019 21:15

I did English Language and Art 'O' levels early. It gave me time to concentrate on other subjects including a couple about which I was not so confident. That was back in the mid 1960s. A lot of us did some early.

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