To think veganism is not for children?

[ohhhhlivia]

Yes, I am aware that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy vegan diet at any age. I know that.

However, it is more difficult and easier to get wrong if you want to be vegan. It still is restrictive (even with all of the new stuff coming out) as in you need to tell hosts, check menus in advance etc.

It's a barrier that has to be overcome. I don't understand why you would do that to someone who has no choice in the matter.

Lots of kids go through a fussy phase too, add veganism in and surely you're at a high risk of health problems?

I think what I'm getting at, is that childhood nutrition can be hard enough as it is, so it just feels wrong to make it harder for reasons that do not directly benefit the child.

I completely agree

I totally agree with that analysis too and I’m a meat eater.

One of the issues I have with veganism is I believe for many people, particularly women, it's a way of them to restrict their eating in a socially acceptable way covering up an actual eating disorder (anorexia/orthorexia). Not everyone obviously, but some.

I actually agree with that analysis too, and I'm a meat eater. I fully admit that I don't have the willpower/selflessness to become a vegan, but I totally commend those who do. They are doing the right thing for the planet.

The orthorexia is a fair point, I know (personally and off YouTube) a lot of ex-anorexics who then become vegan. It's quite a clearly a way they can control their intake without anyone criticising them, because they can say they're doing it for the animals when in fact they don't really give a shit about them. But bashing veganism because some vegans use it as a cover-up for anorexia is stupid, like bashing football coaches because some are paedos.

In this case (ie me) it's because it seems a bit experimental and childhood nutrition is not something I would generally consider experimenting with.

There has been no reproductive societies (ie ones that produce children) in history.

Given that babies under six months need real milk, it makes me question the whole thing. Why do this? What on Earth can be so important that you would take such a risk?

We don't know what the risks are yet purely because nobody has done it on any great scale yet.

But hey, think of the fish

Fully prepared to be flamed now- questioning things as I am.

How dare I!

Babies under 6 months need breast milk. What has that to do with veganism?

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Babies under 6 months need breast milk. What has that to do with veganism?

Please no, I can't go over all this again.

The two of them (ohhhhlivia and formerbabe) have them have been so willfully thick on this point its physically painful. I can't do it.

I swore I wouldn't come back to this thread. More fool me.

Oh dear are we back on breastmilk isn't vegan again....?

@LaurieMarlow it's like a carcrash watching op and formerbabe find a new straw to clutch at. Now formerbabe is feigning concern for eating disorders despite not mentioning it at any other stage. I just can't tear myself away...

@crispycrisis. Pretty sure I mentioned it earlier on in this thread but it's ridiculously long now!

@ohhhhlivia maybe you could go back and look at mine (and loads of other people's) explanation re. breast milk

In case you missed it: yes, human babies need real milk (which means their human mother's) for the first 6 months of their lives. They don't need milk from another mammal.

So given that babies never need milk from another mammal, what on earth would can be so important that you would take that risk???? Surely it's just madness??

@crispycrisis @VeganCow @LaurieMarlow thank goodness you guys are here 😂

Oh dear god. I have come back after leaving the thread and breast milk is being discussed...again?
Human breast milk is milk produced by humans for humans.
Cows milk is milk produced by cows FOR cows. What isn't there to get?
Yes babies need some form of nourishment from their mother. They cant eat or chew food as newborns. The fact a mother can nourish her child for years and years if necessary is a natural and wonderful thing. Far more natural than artificially inseminating a cow, removing the baby calf and milking the cow for all it's worth to drink it's milk.

I find the vegan bashing so unbelievably odd. There are so many examples of healthy families and kids on vegan diets and dozens of posters have given really good reasons why and how you feed vegan children healthily yet the same posters just keep saying the same shit.

It’s really very odd yes. And rather amusing 😂

Because it indicates that animal products are good for growing children.

I have no problem with vegetarian diets for children.

That has been done for many years.

I'm also done. Boring goady thick op and formerbabe. Tiresome and extremely embarrassing

Because it indicates that animal products are good for growing children.

No it indicates that milk made by their mothers, if the same species, are good for growing children.

Bashed head against wall in frustration

Of not if

Yes I’m done with this farce too

Human milk being healthy for human babies isn't evidence that we should get our children to suck a cows tits.

If all you have is insults...

There is also the salient point that not all women can breastfeed, not all babies can breastfeed. Donor milk is not logistically feasible given the quantity and frequency required by babies. Great for a top up, not long term. Promotion of an exclusively vegan diet could well be dangerous in those circumstances- leading to people feeding inappropriate milk to young babies. That does happen, thankfully rarely.

You know what this reminds me of? The trans breastfeeding debate. Some trans women have apparently induced lactation and fed it to babies. This to me is wrong as it is experimenting with childhood nutrition for reasons other than the wellbeing of the child. This is no different.

You're attempting to use another woman's breastfeeding experience to attack her?

That is sick.

If you'd actually breastfed a baby, you would know how wrong that is.

You're a truly twisted individual.

@formerbabe you might want to see this- she's lost it.