To think veganism is not for children?

[ohhhhlivia]

Yes, I am aware that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy vegan diet at any age. I know that.

However, it is more difficult and easier to get wrong if you want to be vegan. It still is restrictive (even with all of the new stuff coming out) as in you need to tell hosts, check menus in advance etc.

It's a barrier that has to be overcome. I don't understand why you would do that to someone who has no choice in the matter.

Lots of kids go through a fussy phase too, add veganism in and surely you're at a high risk of health problems?

I think what I'm getting at, is that childhood nutrition can be hard enough as it is, so it just feels wrong to make it harder for reasons that do not directly benefit the child.

Exactly and breastmilk is vegan, so my child is following NHS and WHO guidelines in a safe diet

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude
I never said they did. As I said in my post - it will come from interaction with dirt and water.

Here's a scientific source - the main point in covered in the abstract.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29216732

You can’t give rice milk to a baby because of the level of arsenic.

I don’t drink cows milk and I was looking for alternatives to my usual soya milk. I was surprised to find rice milk isn’t recommended for under 5.

I see still no answers to this....

If we all accept breastmilk is best for a new born baby, then assuming no allergies, if breastmilk isn't available, what should be the next best thing the baby should have? Dairy based formula or non dairy formula?

No, I stated that if you deliberately feed inappropriate milk to a baby under six months then social services will be interested. Other than breast milk (and not everyone can breastfeed) there is no appropriate non-dairy milk.

A few chickens and a couple of rabbits over the years. It's no big deal.

This thread has actually significantly lowered my opinion of veganism.

Really? The science and accounts of perfectly healthy vegan children have ‘lowered’ your opinion?
Seems an odd reaction. But then I suspect you’re a GF. You certainly seem to be hard of thinking.

@crispycrisis

If you couldn't breastfeed, what would you do?

No, I stated that if you deliberately feed inappropriate milk to a baby under six months then social services will be interested. Other than breast milk (and not everyone can breastfeed) there is no appropriate non-dairy milk.

What’s your expert advice for parents with babies with CMPA then? Since they’ll be SS candidates too I expect?

@Veterinari

No, the idea of feeding inappropriate milk to young babies simply out of 'principle' has lowered my opinion.

I breastfeed and will continue to do so (unless my child self weans before then) until she is at least two.

I never had to make a decision on alternative milks because as only 1-5% of women can't medically breastfeed it never occurred to me I'd have to use anything else. I'm also friends with lots of Vegan families and many donate breastmilk so I would have gone for donor milk if I was one of the very small amount of women that could not produce milk.

What’s your expert advice for parents with babies with CMPA then?

We've already established non dairy formula is better than dying.

But once again, can anyone answer this?

If we all accept breastmilk is best for a new born baby, then assuming no allergies, if breastmilk isn't available, what should be the next best thing the baby should have? Dairy based formula or non dairy formula?

Surely in the case of fish it is due phytoplankton (and its related bacteria).

Ruminants have gut bacteria that synthesise B12 so why would they need a supplement.

@formerbabe since you like bizarre hypothetical situations such as no allergies, no breastmilk and no Dr advising a vegan mother to use a non dairy based milk.

May I ask you a similar ridiculous hypothetical question?

Assuming no breastmilk, no allergies, no cow, goat or sheep milk... what mammal would you choose to let your newborn nurse from?

Ok so in order to make our point on this thread, we’re reduced to focusing on vegan non bfing parents of infants. Great work guys

I presume if you were in that position you’d do one of the following a) source donor breast milk b) consult an infant feeding specialist on the suitability of non dairy formula c) reluctantly give dairy based formula.

However I’m not even sure why we’re debating this. I have (once again) lost sight of the point you think you are making.

@crispycrisis

Not going to answer that, are you?

I didn't think you would.

That statistic is bollox by the way. It describes the tiny percentage of women who cannot produce milk. It ignores those who should not breastfeed due to medication, other medical reasons, mental health reasons, babies who cannot latch etc

If we all accept breastmilk is best for a new born baby, then assuming no allergies, if breastmilk isn't available, what should be the next best thing the baby should have? Dairy based formula or non dairy formula?

This is not a bizarre hypothetical situation. It happens all the time. And you still won't answer the question...why not?

I have answered?!

I would use donor milk, lots of very close friends donate and I did too for a while.

I was never in a position and can not truly see a future in which I couldn't tpievide the optimum nutrition of breastmilk for my child?

You're attempting to goad me into saying I'd let my child starve to death for the sake of a cow. Nope

@ohhhhlivia

Except she literally just did!
I'm also friends with lots of Vegan families and many donate breastmilk so I would have gone for donor milk if I was one of the very small amount of women that could not produce milk.

@crispycrisis

I can answer that actually.

Goats milk has been used with more success that cows for human infants in the past. Still not ideal.

Care to answer my question m?

I presume if you were in that position you’d do one of the following a) source donor breast milk b) consult an infant feeding specialist on the suitability of non dairy formula c) reluctantly give dairy based formula

And what do you think the infant feeding specialist would suggest assuming no allergies? Dairy or non dairy formula?

@ohhhhlivia

She’s answered It in 2 separate posts and i’ve Also repeated it. Try actually reading the thread rather than making wild assumptions in your desire to start a bun fight. You’re looking rather foolish.

I have answered?!

I would use donor milk, lots of very close friends donate and I did too for a while

You haven't answered...my question stated that no breastmilk is available.

Donor milk????!!

Yeah, that's going to work.

You sure you've actually breastfed?

A vegan diet is a hugely restrictive one. I don't believe it should be imposed on growing children. I have never met a healthy vegan child

We supplement their diets with vitamins, but that is generally recommended in all kids under 5 anyway.

What a load of utter shit.