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To wish dp earned more

77 replies

Thesecondfear · 27/10/2019 18:55

And yes. It is horrendously sexist and disgusting. But I do.

I work full time. My friends are part time or SAHMs. We have no family support. Permaskint, permatired, permagrumpy.

And I’m being unreasonable and a most unpleasant person to boot but I can’t help it.

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Anotheruser02 · 27/10/2019 20:35

How old are your children? I think it's reasonable to want to be a SAHP for a while. I know you're venting not looking for solutions, but I would be wary of letting a partner go PT for childcare. I've read a few threads on here where the couple with this arrangement have separated and then mother is not primary carer so potentially looking a being NRP.

SunshineAngel · 27/10/2019 20:42

I'm with you. I earn a lot more than my partner and sometimes it feels like everything's on me. I'm self employed so it's not like I just get hours - every penny I earn has to be worked very hard for and I have to chase work, and no two weeks are the same.

Whereas my partner works part time (health reasons, completely valid) and brings home just £700 on a good month.

I would never dream of saying this to his face, or saying that he should do more hours. He pays a lot of his wages towards the bills and the house anyway, and never wastes money.. it's just that I get stressed sometimes being the main earner, and I think if he earned more we would have more breathing space and, dare I hope for it, spare cash.

blowmybarnacles · 27/10/2019 20:46

I'm with you OP. I earn more than DP who earns less than my nieces and nephews.
Thee time he should have spent building a career and looking after his family he was chasing his final dream of being a rock star.
We are always broke too.

LolaSmiles · 27/10/2019 20:58

Thee time he should have spent building a career and looking after his family he was chasing his final dream of being a rock star.
Another one where it's the man's job to look after his family and chasing his career. Hmm
I'd love to see a thread full of men saying that their wives spent the years they "should have been spending making a home and raising the children" were spent on making other valid life choices. Perhaps the women should spend their time looking after their husbands and having tea on the table.

I have musician friends who work 3-4 different jobs such as private tuition, session players, gigs etc and cafe work. They pay the bills, aren't well off but they're happy.

If a man was busy wanting life as a rock star then don't have kids with him and suddenly expect the financial situation to magically change or be bitter that he's apparently wasted years not building his earning power.

Thesecondfear · 27/10/2019 21:00

Oh I reckon plenty of men are silently envious of and pissed off with their SAH wives!

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LolaSmiles · 27/10/2019 21:05

It's horses for courses though OP.

Maybe they are pissed off and get resentful. There are threads on here where couples agree to a SAHP until school and suddenly 5 years goes by and they don't want to go back to work and the WOHP feels resentment that this wasn't what they signed up for.

Maybe they are envious of the time the SAHP has at home.

Maybe theyve got a set up that suits them and their families and have open communication.

Ultimately nobody knows what's going on in other relationships and there's no point comparing or speculating in that respect of you end up feeling resentful of your own lot.

Anotherlongdrive · 27/10/2019 21:22

I think it's reasonable to want to be a SAHP for a while. I know you're venting not looking for solutions, but I would be wary of letting a partner go PT for childcare. I've read a few threads on here where the couple with this arrangement have separated and then mother is not primary carer so potentially looking a being NRP.

So it's ok for the woman to go part time or be a sahp and become the RP. But not for the man? It's a risk if it's the man, but the man should be happy taking that risk if it's what the mother of the child wants?

Attitudes just arent changing at all are they.

Lalalalandla · 27/10/2019 21:48

It is tough. We can't help who we fall in love with.

When I married my husband he was a hospital consultant so I couldn't have known that he would decide to jack that in and pursue his dreams - I have supported him and it has been a long hard process. Not only have we lost out financially, but it's taken away huge amounts of family time. I believe in him and his abilities but it's put our relationship under immense strain and I feel that is not acknowledged.

Luckily I am a good earner but I would just love to share the burden.

It's a struggle, I hear you.

orangeteal · 27/10/2019 21:55

@Thesecondfear "Oh I reckon plenty of men are silently envious of and pissed off with their SAH wives"

Yes I think many are, DH has frequently told me about colleagues of his complaining about wives not working, especially with school aged children.

NameChangedNoImagination · 27/10/2019 22:14

You could change career. Become self employed. Endless options are open to you and you're still young.

It seems you feel powerless to make a shift to increase your earning power and are projecting this onto your DP which is unfair. You have many options. Wishing for a dream DP with bags of money is akin to being resentful you didn't win the lottery because it's a fantasy.

Make plans, strategise and work out how to get to the income you want.

StephenCobaltNorthstar · 28/10/2019 02:16

Based on the fact that the OP describes them as "scraping around the bottom of the middle classes somewhere" (great expression if difficult situation) I'm guessing that the OP is earning about £40k and her DH is earning something materially less - say £25-35k. The three factors we don't know are: (i) where in the UK they live, (ii) what their housing situation is and (iii) how many children they have and their ages.

I'm the same age category as the OP and, honestly, it's a nightmare age because it's really too late to change careers, and changing careers and getting to a meaningful level for any period is pointless. My DW is currently retraining to be a teacher but she has a few advantages: (i) our children are now all of school age and I can do drop offs and some pick ups, (ii) she wasn't educated in the UK so can get a state loan for the cost and (iii) we live in an expensive part of the UK so there aren't so many people chasing teaching jobs.

I also know many women whose husbands have lower (or minimal earnings). Some women are fine with that, but as children get older and costs increase I see more and more cases where the wife resents the husband for "not pulling his weight". The thing is, men in their 40s aren't going to change their careers/lifestyles. To some extent, women actually have an easier time trying to turbo-charge careers in their 40s because the perceptions that they may have put career on hold for a few years when they had children or that their career may have been impeded by sexism. The men I've seen who turbo-charged things in their 40s are those who are self-employed or set up their own businesses - it's virtually impossible in an employed situation.

This issue is actually less of a big deal when the wife is a very high earner, e.g. >£100,000 because then there is just more money to go around. Where the wife is the higher earner but not actually a particularly high earner IYSWIM as things are more stretched. The issue also tends to crystallise in late 30s/early 40s as up to then it's perfectly possible that spouses are on different career tracks with one earning less early in career but with a greater payout later or there's just the possibility that something may happen. Early 40s you start to realise "this is as good as it gets".

Without wanting to generalise, I see this phenomenon as very much more in some societal groups than in others. I don't think UK society tells women that spousal career/earning power matters and there's almost a sense that it's not something that should be commented upon at all. By contrast among my south Asian friends, career/earning power is referenced quite openly as a consideration - and not just in terms of prospective husbands but also prospective wife's. I'm not sure that just telling women not to be financially dependent on a man works for those other than the top 5-10% of earners because (again, depending on a bunch of other factors) only those can afford to raise a family without a second income.

Woodlandwitch · 28/10/2019 07:15

Op said she earned £50k

AmIThough · 28/10/2019 07:20

My DP earns a good salary, I earn a decent salary considering how piss easy my job is, but we both work full time because we earn enough to not be entitled to any government support (and rightly so), yet I know lots of people who can afford to work part time because they are low earning families and it actually makes more sense to work part time with benefit top ups than it does to work full time and pay for childcare.

It's not your DP you should be annoyed by. It's the system.

sandgrown · 28/10/2019 07:46

I hear you OP. My DP earned slightly more than me when we met . We had a child and I dropped one day a week. DP was sick for a while then got sacked for another issue. It took him a year to get another job .Through that period I worked every bit of overtime I could get and even paid his child maintenance to his ex wife so his children did not suffer.
He returned to work on less than half his previous earnings but has made no effort to progress. We are only a few years off retirement and he will have only a state pension and a tiny work pension due to not paying into a pension when he was earning well. I should have a good pension and a side income plus state pension so should have a decent retirement income . DP fully expects I will be subsidising his retirement and I do feel resentful !

Thesecondfear · 28/10/2019 08:37

Thanks stephen

I do earn 43k - 50k or thereabouts is my maximum earning potential realistically.

Dh earns about 26k.

Kids are small. House is expensive.

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DawnOfTheDeadleg · 28/10/2019 09:49

Are you in the south east OP?

Thesecondfear · 28/10/2019 10:19

No thank God.

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DawnOfTheDeadleg · 28/10/2019 10:35

Your issue seems to be feeling too stressed generally, not just money per se. Obviously money is a large part of that but there are other aspects too. I can understand how you feel, because two full time jobs with little ones can be pretty brutal.

If the children are small, have you looked into the possibility of him dropping a day? With modest earners and multiple pre-schoolers, it isn't necessarily a loss to the net budget. Can be a gain. On that salary, five days to four is under £300 drop a month and your childcare plus any commuting costs might well be more than/around that. It's hard however you organise things when they're that age, but even one day without pick ups and drop offs, someone who can potentially stay in to wait for deliveries, electricians etc can make things feel easier.

Woodlandwitch · 28/10/2019 11:42

How expensive is the house?
We have joint income of £70k currently, live in South East, London Fringe, And with an outstanding mortgage of £270k we have plenty left over each month after bills and essentials

Unfortunately it won’t last as I’m likely to be taking a pay cut in the next 6 months, but for now it’s comfortable

MirkwoodMiss · 28/10/2019 13:17

You are simply vocalising what most of us think from time to time. It's natural to look at others and wish you had what they appear to have. Try and look at what you have instead of what you don't.

NameChangedNoImagination · 28/10/2019 13:53

Sorry but you have a joint income of £69k and you're complaining about being skint. The average household income of two adults in the UK is £23,556. I am a high earner but I find your complaining on that kind of income really poor taste. Get a grip.

NameChangedNoImagination · 28/10/2019 13:54

Stephen, how on earth you think £65-75k is "scraping around the bottom of the middle classes somewhere" is beyond me.

Dljlr · 28/10/2019 14:00

DP earns half what I do (and my wage is average for SE). I wish he earned more too.

KitKat1985 · 28/10/2019 14:04

I get it OP, even though it might not be the 'right' thing to feel. Me and DH live in the South East. I earn about £35k a year, DH earns 24k. We both work full-time hours, but I work my hours so that I can also do the bulk of the childcare. I'm knackered most of the time, and I don't have much wiggle room to make my life easier as I'm the main bread winner. It's usually me that has to pick up the tab for things like days out, or new shoes for the kids etc. I get secret jealous pangs of friends who have the option to be SAHMs or only work part time because their other half earns enough so that they can afford that option. It's that I want to be a kept woman exactly, just that it's a lot of pressure to be both main bread-winner and main childcare.

GrumpyHoonMain · 28/10/2019 14:12

Would you be less skint if he went part time so you paid less childcare / stayed at home so you could chase a higher earning job? If so definitely one to consider