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To ask for advice - letting agent issue!

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Hulahoopqueen · 27/10/2019 07:13

We moved into rented property in September. All good since then. All contact through letting agent, no sign of landlord whatsoever (not an issue from our side, just background).

Our washing machine, which was included in the property (built into a kitchen cupboard) has packed up - this was Friday night. Partner opened it when he thought it had finished running; all the lights were flashing madly and it was half full of water. Partner, being a bit dippy, opened it, obviously water spilt everywhere. All fine, we mopped it up. Partner checked all other appliances - no issues with clocks flashing on oven etc so not a power issue for the whole house. He set it off again, thinking it was a one-off. It happened again, but this time the machine has locked up, 3/4 full of water, and all our dark clothes.
I got home, tried to run a drain-only cycle - no doing.
Partner called the letting agent (LA) first thing Saturday, and they said they’d contact him after they’d spoken to the landlord. About 4 hours went by and he didn’t hear anything (I was working all Saturday), so, frustrated that we hadn’t had any news, I sent over an email letting them know what was going on, and telling them we need a resolution (have a child, we need to be able to use the machine we’re paying for, etc).
I then rang the property department directly (LA had replied to the email and gave me their direct phone number) and they said they’d give the landlord a call and see what he wanted to do. LA rang me back, said landlord didn’t want to call out an emergency plumber, apparently the washing machine is within warranty, so he wants to call the manufacturer. LA apologetically said that this meant it was out of her hands.
I enquired (as calmly as possible, thinking of our stagnating clothes) whether there would be a reduction in our rent this month given that we can’t use the machine that is an appliance which our rent takes into account, and that as our other clothes will need washing soon, whether the agency will be covering the laundromat charges we’ll end up using (no local family we can ask). LA got a bit flustered and said she’d ask her manager and would call me back first thing Monday. Landlord apparently has no idea where the guarantee documents actually are, so even if LA calls us back Monday, god knows when the thing will actually be fixed!!

Here (at last, thanks if you got this far!!) is my AIBU:

AIBU to ask if anyone can advise where, legally, I stand on this? I’ve read through the contract and it doesn’t mention this specifically. Are we required to pay the full rent if we’re not getting the use of the appliances which are included as a part of it? Rent would obviously be lower if white goods are not included. If our clothes are mouldy and no good after however long in the washer, will we be able to claim on any replacements?

Any advice welcome!

OP posts:
missbattenburg · 27/10/2019 12:19

To be honest I think your expectations here are ridiculous

Yep. Sorry OP but YABVU. It sounds to me like you've had a far better and quicker response already from the Agency and landlord then I would expect for a minor issue over the weekend.

If it's not fixed within two weeks or so - that's the time to start feeling hard done by.

missbattenburg · 27/10/2019 12:23

Ps if a plumber is called out and it's just the filter then be prepare to receive the bill. Definitely check that before anyone is sent out.

spanglydangly · 27/10/2019 12:24

YABVU and I will laugh if the blockage is caused by something you've done!

DontCallMeShitley · 27/10/2019 12:25

Something here is high maintaintance but I don't think it is the washing machine...

spanglydangly · 27/10/2019 12:26

Come on OP come back we've been waiting hours now!

Moondancer73 · 27/10/2019 12:40

I'm guessing OP has realised that she was being ridiculously unreasonable 😂

OhFuckYourDishwasher · 27/10/2019 14:51

I've NCed for this. I used to be a letting agent and was "on call" at the weekend for emergencies. Tenants were supplied with contact details and very clear info as to what constituted an emergency - loss of heating/hot water, burst pipe, forced entry etc.

One Sunday lunchtime I received a call from a tenant (irate and rude from the start) that his dishwasher wasn't working. This was a very very ££££ dishwasher and under warranty so I (nicely and politely) advised I would contact the company first thing Monday as they were closed at weekends. Well fuck me. Firstly this "just wasn't good enough" and progressed to "my rent pays your wages and I expect a workman within the next hour" to....(and I swear this is true)

"But my nanny doesn't work weekends so she isn't here to wash up, so it needs fixing today".

It always made me laugh that landlords think tenants are awful, tenants think landlords are awful, and everyone thinks letting/estate agents are awful Grin but IME there is just a subset in each group who are wankers, just as with people in general. Not saying which group OP might fall into as they might come back and admit they were BU

OhFuckYourDishwasher · 27/10/2019 14:59

And I spent lots of weekends finding stopcocks, repressurising boilers, supplying spare keys, dropping off portable heaters to people with small DC - 99% of tenants were lovely and offered cups of tea, even Sunday lunch Smile but there was always 1% who were arses. Someone once complained as I "wore casual clothes" - I had left my own Sunday lunch to fuck around (ironically) draining their washer to find a bra wire was the culprit of the blockage....

Candle1000 · 27/10/2019 14:59

There are very few instances that are deemed emergencies- A broken washing machine is not one of them unfortunately.

user1479305498 · 27/10/2019 19:20

I suspect that this is someone who hasn't rented before and hence has somewhat unrealistic expectations. However as someone who rents a biggish place in decent areas and has paid a lot in rent over the years, can I just say that the tone on here of some who clearly see all tenants as some kind of second class scum leaves a lot to be desired. people rent for all kinds of reasons , not always because they are some sub species who couldn't buy. It's very Dail Mail and does some mumsnetters a disservice . There are indeed arsehole tenants and areshole landlords and the reverse is true. At the moment we have a huge property company landlord who never ever bothers you at all, but takes months to actually sort out any issues big or small . We've learnt to live with it and sort bits out ourselves , as the house does indeed feel like yours, no inspections etc.

Pandora73 · 27/10/2019 19:31

I haven’t read the whole thread, but on the front of the machine there should be a small flap/cover, which will have a filter to unscrew and clean as it could he blocked and preventing the machine draining. Also a black rubber pipe which you can empty the water out of - make sure you put something down for the water to collect in. And towels. Lots of.

Lindy2 · 27/10/2019 19:46

Give your landlord a chance to sort it. For goodness sake it's hardly been a day and you are bleating on about rent reductions and laundry costs.

Appliances go wrong from time to time. Buildings need repairs etc. It's to be expected. Weekend repairs would be for major emergencies only.

thecatneuterer · 27/10/2019 22:17

@user1479305498 I have read the whole thread and haven't seen a single post that belittles the OP because she is a tenant. The 'tone' as you describe it is entirely because she is being extremely unreasonable. That's the nature of AIBU - OPs who are being unreasonable are told so. It's not because she's a tenant rather than an owner-occupier - it's because she is being ridiculous.

AwdBovril · 27/10/2019 23:19

@LynetteScavo yes, but I'm struggling to understand why, when I reported my boiler faulty 8 weeks ago, it's still not been fixed. Hence, slightly tetchy.

LynetteScavo · 28/10/2019 08:08

@AwdBovril I agree with you that tenting is crappy in the UK, but I was responding to the OP.

How long have you been waiting for a heating engineer? 8 weeks? It's not clear from your post. People do have to wait a week or so sometimes, cold but true. But 8 weeks is ridiculous.

AwdBovril · 28/10/2019 23:02

It was finally fixed this morning. We originally noticed the heating wasn't working properly at the beginning of September. So about 8 weeks. And the boiler conked out entirely for a few days in the meantime so we had no hot water for washing either. But, as I say, now fixed, hurrah!

Andromeida59 · 28/10/2019 23:10

I don't understand LL's behaving like that. I'm a LL. Earlier in the year, my tenants got in touch to say that they could only get hot water if the heating was on. It wasn't a huge issue as it was during the winter but I was emailed on the Monday morning and it was fixed on the Wednesday afternoon.

I think the OP's LL was being more than reasonable. In my experience, such demands are not in isolation. If a tenant were wanting to with old rent over the slightest inconvenience, I would not be renewing the lease.

lanthanum · 28/10/2019 23:23

I realise you may be new to the area, but I'll bet there's someone around who would let you put a couple of loads through their machine until it's fixed, especially if there is no local laundrette. If you're not brave enough to go and introduce yourself to the neighbours, see if there's a local Facebook group. I know if you posted on ours, someone would help out.

PookieDo · 29/10/2019 08:19

@Andromeida59

I have this issue at the moment with the hot water I’ve waited 5 weeks for the right part. To be fair they tried to fix it a couple of times and are coming tomorrow with the part!

RumpoleoftheBaileys · 29/10/2019 08:40

YABVU and legally, you have no right to pay anything other than full rent.

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