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To think just because he’s younger than DD it doesn’t mean it’s not bullying?

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TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 22:11

Bit of a situation with school and want people’s views.

DD is 5, in year 1. There is a little boy in Reception she went to a private Nursery with. Nursery ended up separating DD from him as he seemed to just target her all the time, pulling her hair, scratching at her face, deliberately ripping up her drawings etc. Nursery assured me that DD was not the problem, her behaviour was fine and she never retaliated, they ended up separating the class into two groups by age, so the ones who were leaving for school were in one room and the ones who were staying another year in another, DD obviously being in the older group. There were occasional incidences at Nursery where the groups where mixed due to staffing issues but generally they were kept separate and if they were mixed DD and this boy where kept apart.

DD is really happy at school we’ve had no problems. But at play and lunchtimes the Reception class has use of the Key Stage 1 playground so DD and this boy are together again. I didn’t think anything of it thinking having a year apart would have meant he’d forgotten her.

Obviously not as I’ve been called twice this half term and heard about several other incidences from DD and her friends all involving this boy very clearly targeting DD.

So far he’s;

  • Walked up to DD who was sat on a bench with her friend and pulled at her jumper hard enough to scare her as it tight was round her neck as he pulled* (I was called about this one)
  • Pulled her hair while she was eating her lunch
  • Deliberately stamped on her foot when a ball he was playing with came too close to DD – I’ve been told by the house captain (year 5 child) who was on the playground at the time that DD just ignored the ball but he came up to her and stamped on her anyway
  • Pinched her cheek hard enough to mark her (I was called about this one)
  • Scratched at her face

I have been told that everytime DD has done nothing wrong, and this boy is targeting her. DD never retaliates although she does get upset by it. DD says he seems to come up to her for no apparent reason. Other children, not just from DDs class or Reception but children from Year 2 and also the house captains from years 5 and 6 have told me they’ve seen this boy (and named him) come up to DD and seeming just hurt for no reason.

School have told me it’s not bullying because he’s younger than DD. They have said DD appears to not be doing anything to upset him, but it’s not bullying because she's in Year 1 and him in Reception.

We are on half term now but I am going back into school after half term to discuss this. And wanted others opinions on whether AIBU to think it’s bullying? And if it what can I reasonably expect school to do about it? I do not want DD kept in at playtime and lunchtimes as she enjoys the outside and playing with her friends.

*For added context and to prevent drip feeding DD witnessed her dad attack me on many occasions when we were together, I am no longer with him and we’re both happier but DD may have been scared that similar was happening to her

**Even more context the only reason Nursery could find for this boy targeting DD was that his mum was DDs keyworker for a year when she was in the toddler room, she left when DD was in preschool but left her DC in the Nursery, DD sometimes would run to her for a hug when came to get her son and the Nursery thought he might be jealous but I don’t see how that translates to him bullying her at school

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DaveMyHat · 26/10/2019 22:15

I don't understand why it couldn't be bullying just because he is younger than her. But I do think he is quite young to be a bully, and possibly a sign something is wrong in his home.

SuperSleepyBaby · 26/10/2019 22:17

I would never call this ‘bullying’ when it is being done by a child who is only 4 -but I would ask the school to put a stop to it as they are the ones who are responsible in this case.

DaveMyHat · 26/10/2019 22:20

I posted too soon sorry. I am really confused why the school don't want to label it as bullying just because he's younger. Is it a way for them to try and avoid dealing with it perhaps?

GettingABitDesperateNow · 26/10/2019 22:21

That's ridiculous. Maybe if he was reception and she was 10 they might have a point. Where do they draw the line though? Are they saying if 2 kids in the same year, one August born was targeting the September born one then there wouldn't be consequences as one is almost a year older? And what if she retaliates or defends herself, will they come down on her harder because she is older even though she didnt start the fight?

I'd read their bullying policy and see if it makes any mention of age (I dont think it will).

I'd also say no matter what you call it, its sustained targeted physical violence against a pupil and what are they going to do to safeguard her, without victim blaming (eg she shouldn't be punished by keeping her inside- he should be kept inside). Its been going on for a long time now so clearly it's not going to just stop - they need to take action to manage it.

Also could you take her to some form of martial art to build her confidence and give her a chance of defending herself.

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 22:21

Is it a way for them to try and avoid dealing with it perhaps?

I don't know, they just told me that because he's younger than DD he's not bullying her.

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itsmecathycomehome · 26/10/2019 22:25

It doesn't really matter what they all it, they just need to stop it. What have they done so far? I think they should have spoken to both him and his mum, and if necessary kept him close to an adult - or inside - at playtime in order to keep your dd safe, certainly the day after an attack.

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 22:26

They won't tell me what they've done to him, but to me it looks like nothing at all, as it's repeatedly happening.

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Happityhap · 26/10/2019 22:26

Of course he's bullying her.
Whatever they call it, what are they going to do about it that doesn't penalise your daughter?

Happityhap · 26/10/2019 22:27

They are not keeping your daughter safe.

Loveislandaddict · 26/10/2019 22:34

Yes, he is bullying her. Age doesn’t come into it, and what a feeble excuse.

I would take it up with the school, and don’t let them fob you off with the age excuse.

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 22:40

I agree they're not keeping her safe, so will definitely go at it from that angle.

I obviously can't know what punishments they put in place for this boy (and nor should I) but I do think DD needs to be kept safe and that shouldn't mean punishing her.

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lanthanum · 26/10/2019 22:41

Whatever they call it, they need to deal with it. As someone else said, they can't be very far apart in age - possibly closer than two children in the same year, so the age argument is silly anyway.

At a guess, when your daughter went and claimed hugs from his mum, that left this boy, as a toddler, feeling that she was trying to steal his mum. He probably didn't understand why the hugs were happening. It may all be quite subconscious, and it may now be habit rather than actually remembering what happened in the past.

Clammyclam · 26/10/2019 22:45

Yes it's bullying!!
It's repeated beg our which is intended to hurt.
No the age gap (although tiny) doesn't matter it's still bullying.

Yes the school are trying to avoid dealing with this

Make a plan and an appointment and make it clear to the head you will not test until this is resolved and your child's safety is taken seriously.

I say all this as a pastoral leader.

slowdownplease · 26/10/2019 22:45

Could you ask for a buddy for your daughter to help keep her safe, or a buddy for this boy to help keep him away from your child? Or both?

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 26/10/2019 22:47

Yes it's bullying, him being younger has nothing to do with it. He's being horrible to your DD and the school need to deal with it.

Jollitwiglet · 26/10/2019 22:48

What a load of shit.

Regardless of what they wish to call it, they need to deal with it and prevent it from happening again.

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 23:00

The point about age is a good one, DD is end of July birthday so could easily only be 5-6 weeks older than this boy.

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ILearnedItFromABook · 26/10/2019 23:06

Sounds like a useful excuse or an example of following some set of guidelines (their version of "the letter of the law") rather than using common sense.

Whatever they want to call it, it's unacceptable and should not be tolerated. The child should be punished for violent behaviour, whether it's called "bullying" or generic naughtiness.

If the school are reluctant to take appropriate action, I'd make sure your daughter knows that it's alright for her to stand up for herself not to start fights, of course, but that if someone is hurting her, she can defend herself and that you'll stand up for her, too, if anyone at the school has something to say about it. Maybe if she pushes back a bit, he'll think twice about targeting her.

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 23:11

Maybe if she pushes back a bit, he'll think twice about targeting her.

Unfortunately due to our history I don't think DD would feel comfortable pushing or hitting someone back.

I will look into some sort of confidence building for her though, even if it just teaches her to get up and walk away.

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WhenISnappedAndFarted · 26/10/2019 23:15

Just on a side note OP - it sounds like you and your daughter have been through an awful lot. Maybe she does need some help with some confidence building, I'd worry about when she was older and had relationships.

GrumpyHoonMain · 26/10/2019 23:17

In this situation I would tell her to look around after an attack to make sure nobody else is watching and kick him. He’s clearly only attacking her because she isn’t retaliating and the school isn’t doing anything to protect her so she should learn to protect herself

LittleOwl153 · 26/10/2019 23:20

Have you put your issues in writing to the school? Sometimes issues such as bullying can be not investigated properly if there is no written file to respond to...

TheFallenCamal · 26/10/2019 23:23

Have you put your issues in writing to the school?

I haven't, I will write it out and hand it to the headteacher directly thank you I didn't think of that

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MorganKitten · 26/10/2019 23:35

It’s bullying, and they aren’t following safeguarding.
Ask to see both policies. Then take it to the governors.

Lizzie0869 · 26/10/2019 23:38

It is bullying, how ridiculous. And even if they don't want to call it that, it's clearly unacceptable behaviour which needs to be dealt with, so that your DD can feel safe at school.