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If you buy cannabis you are an accessory to the modern-day slave trade that caused the death of the 39 in the shipping container

186 replies

Parsimon · 26/10/2019 13:11

I hate the fact that so many people in this country blissfully ignore the human misery behind the drugs they consume, whether it’s working class kids being stabbed because of their involvement with the gangs that supply cocaine to middle-class dinner parties or the “just a spliff” crowd who are fuelling modern slavery from predominantly Vietnamese trafficked immigrants, often children.

If you grow your own and trace to source everything else then you’re only harming yourself, but I expect that the vast majority of drugs users don’t actually do that.

Excellent article in the Guardian today about the children having to work to support UK cannabis consumption.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/25/trafficked-enslaved-teenagers-tending-uk-cannabis-farms-vietnamese/

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Jizelle · 27/10/2019 16:56

@iampicklerick possibly, but it could also just be that setting up to take card payments is too much trouble for a business that will only be open a couple of months. That's becoming a more and more unlikely excuse, though, as now basically anyone with a mobile phone can set up something like Stripe to take card payments.

Other business that are likely to be money laundering fronts include gelato/dessert parlours (ice cream and other frozen stock never goes off, don't need skilled people to make or serve it) and car washes (if there are RVs/ shipping containers around a hand car wash, there's a good chance people are sleeping in them).

CheshireSplat · 27/10/2019 16:58

On the car wash point, this article suggests that £9 should be the minimum you pay at a car wash. Any less and there's likely to be modern slavery. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/16/true-human-cost-5-pound-hand-car-wash-modern-slavery

Onesailwait · 27/10/2019 17:03

All the more reason for regulation & legislation. Over here(Canada) I know exactly where my weed is comming from, where it was grown & by who. I also pay a huge amount of tax on it .Its a huge industry lots of jobs created and lots of money to be made.

IamPickleRick · 27/10/2019 17:05

Jizelle yeah I’ve even seen buskers and pop up craft shops at fairs using their phones to process payments so I didn’t understand why the pop up shop in town can’t do that as it’s there for a whole month.

One of the ones in my town just feels unsavoury and I can’t explain why!

LemonPrism · 27/10/2019 17:34

Why not legalise and regulate it then?

The idea of shit contaminated cocaine certainly is a grim one, though I've never actually met a well spoken dealer.

TheUser420 · 27/10/2019 17:40

The idea of shit contaminated cocaine certainly is a grim one, though I've never actually met a well spoken dealer.

Michael Goves cocaine was most certainly not being delivered by Del Boy.

OneTerrificMouse · 27/10/2019 17:57

Quick, someone call the police and tell them all this!

Oh, hang on...if we know and they know it and nobody does anything about it...then what is going on exactly?

endofthelinefinally · 27/10/2019 18:45

The conservative government appointed a drugs Czar many years ago. Sorry I can't remember his name. He advised legalising everything using all the very good arguments stated on here. Quality control, eliminate most crime, prevent slavery etc. Put the profits into education and detox.
They sacked him.
I live near two very successful drug dealers - as in top of the organisation. They live in mansions, employ private security and very expensive lawyers.
They own lots of local property, restaurants, clubs, businesses.
You can be sure the police know exactly who they are.
There are reasons why there is no real appetite for dealing with this.
Who cares if poor people and people with mental illness die? Not this government, and none of the other political parties either.

Far2go46 · 27/10/2019 18:49

Most things that most people in this country buy, involve people working in horrendous conditions and dieing on the job, it's not just drugs

isadoradancing123 · 27/10/2019 19:02

Many on mumsnet seem to want to be the conscience of the world, am pretty sure no one agrees with people trafficing, but, and it is a big but, these people want to come here, they dont wabt France orcGermany or Belgium or any country except the UK

Far2go46 · 27/10/2019 19:23

@Parsimon

How sure are you that nothing you consume is the product of slavery/indebted labour, I take it you never eat fruit, shellfish, anything with suger in it?

Trewser · 27/10/2019 19:27

God dont legalise drugs! We have enough issues drinking and troughing ourselves to death as it is!

HeadLikeAFuckinOrange · 27/10/2019 19:44

The Drugs Minister who Theresa May chose due to her "hard line stance" on drugs, has a Husband who grows the stuff and profits enormously from the manufacture and supply.

But as usual, it's the ruling class doing a fabulous job of convincing the middle classes that the working class are the problem.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/drugs-minister-victoria-atkins-hypocrisy-cannabis-paul-kenward-british-sugar-a8356056.html%3famp

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 27/10/2019 20:57

The conservative government appointed a drugs Czar many years ago. Sorry I can't remember his name. He advised legalising everything using all the very good arguments stated on here. Quality control, eliminate most crime, prevent slavery etc. Put the profits into education and detox.
They sacked him.

It was David Nutt, a world-renowned figure. He didn't advise legalising everything, but he pointed out a few uncomfortable truths about the levels of harm involved in drugs, including alcohol and tobacco. The evidence points to properly used MDMA being low risk for example, whereas alcohol is horrendous by comparison. He suggested an overhaul of the classifications.

His dismissal for reporting the results of research conducted by himself and a group of other scientists from around the world was a disgraceful episode if you believe government policy should be rational and evidence-based rather than tabloid-driven.

endofthelinefinally · 27/10/2019 22:33

Thank you FiddlesticksAkimbo.
Your memory is better than mine.
Yes, if alcohol was invented now it would be banned.
I agree with what you said about MDMA.
Also some psychedelics have the potential to be very useful in the treatment of certain psychiatric conditions, but with the ignorance and intransigence around legal and illegal substances it is very difficult to do any meaningful research.
The plight of people with MS and epilepsy who could benefit from cannabis and derivatives of cannabis is really dreadful.
There are a number of people very high up in the establishment who are making a lot of money from the drugs trade. They don't want anything legalised.
Many, many people die as a result of prescribed opiates, but the big pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of money out of those drugs so it continues unchecked.

Fightingmycorner2019 · 28/10/2019 06:59

I don’t think the cannabis trade can be even remotely compared to class A

As a starter for ten you can grow it at home !

I do agree however that class A are hugely
Ethically dodgy , and what happened was beyond awful

Tellmetruth4 · 28/10/2019 07:08

Lots of people dealing cannabis also deal class A’s.

Baboomtsk · 28/10/2019 07:33

@endofthelinefinally if you're thinking of David Nutt it was a Labour government that sacked him.

TheUser420 · 28/10/2019 10:35

if you're thinking of David Nutt it was a Labour government that sacked him.

"Whacky" Jacqui Smith to be precise. Who was either a bit dim, and failed to grasp how UK drugs laws work, or was a but illegal, and decided to change the law without telling anyone.

You decide.

Either way, the 1971 Misuse Of Drugs Act is a spectacularly fine piece of legislation. Harking back to a day when lawyers really knew how to write Damn Fine Laws.

It sets up a mechanism involving the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs as an independent body to look at the entire spectrum of drugs issues and report to the Home Secretary. The AMCD is constituted of medical, policing, social and chemical experts, and has a remit to look at all aspects of drugs in society.

It's a very well thought out model.

The problem is when any expert looks at "drugs in society" the conclusion is almost immediately that the worst possible way of dealing with them is prohibition. It's basically a licence for criminals to make money.

So ever since then, a load of criminals have been busy playing a helpfully gullible public with Daily Mail type scare stories, in order they can continue to make the countless billions they do. Much the same as Prohibition in the US lasted a lot longer than it would have had the mafia (and other criminal gangs) not paid hugs sums to politicians to keep alcohol illegal.

Drugs laws and censorship work by the very simple premise of allowing a subset of the population to enforce their idea of morality in the rest.

Currently, the ACMD lacks the numbers the law says it needs for the Home Secretary to be able to act on it's recommendations. Which means we've had the Government deciding what it wants with no oversight from the very body it entrusted to do the job.

But then given the pisspoor UK media, it's hardly surprising. When the ACMD recommended that Cannabis be retained as a Class-C drug - and was ignored, Jacqui Smith claimed that it was because the ACMD hadn't thought about "all the aspects", which was a lorryload of horsehit that was then dumped on a pile of bullshit. Not only had the ACMD thought about "all the aspects", but it is in their remit to think of everything.

If you want to trace deceitful politicians rubbishing expert advice in order to placate a thick readership, then I'd submit that moment as a candidate for "idiot zero". Basically Jacqui Smith (egged on by one Gordon Brown) said "you know these experts with hundreds of years of experience in a constellation of subjects ? They're not quite as clever as me, you know. Here's a picture of me wearing bunny ears ...".

As for Gordon Brown ... he pretty much exposed the whole sham by announcing what the government was doing before it had received the ACMD findings.

All of which being said, David Nutts departure came about more because not only does he dislike alcohol (which is a no-no if you are licensing drugs. You really have to love the stuff) but he has (and still is) working on a "safe alcohol" called "synthonol" (if I can remember rightly). And that is never going to be allowed.

If people like a whiff of hypocrisy in their oppressive laws, the Psychoactive Substances Act had to specifically exempt alcohol (this admitting that it is the UKs government approved psychoactive substance) and it also makes incense illegal, so there has to be a special "non aggression pact" between incense users (mainly religious bodies) and the authorities that any prosecutions of incense users will have to be suppressed by the CPS. Which is a dogs breakfast of legislation, but should tell people firmly that there is a lot of state interference in peoples lives they probably weren't aware of.

Of course there's always the my sticking my nose into your business is OK, but your sticking your nose into my business hypocrisy of society. Something you would have thought women would be more aware of than most.

endofthelinefinally · 28/10/2019 13:08

The drug barons do not want any drugs to be legalised. That speaks volumes.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 28/10/2019 13:38

The cannabis trade in the uk is an issue

Should it be legalized that would certainly curb some of the gangs but you are not going to have strong strains of cannabis decriminalized or legalized and there will now always be customers for this

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 28/10/2019 23:36

Thanks TheUser420, an incisive analysis into the nonsense that is UK drug policy. And as you suggest, I suspect it's just a sign of an alarming transition into a stultocracy.

squeekums · 28/10/2019 23:54

Ill support the op in her campaign to legalize drugs to end this misery

All the more reason to legalise it and every other 'drug'. People will not stop using them.

Legalization is the answer. I live in a state where marijuana is legal. No child labor, no trafficked workers, product quality is monitored, no black market, and a lot of tax revenue. It’s now cheaper and better quality here than it was all those years ago when it was illegal. It’s no more harmful than alcohol so I can’t see why it isn’t legal in more places.

Yes
Yes
Yes
That simple

messolini9 · 29/10/2019 00:02

There is no such thing as ‘just a spliff’ or ‘just a line of coke’.

There certainly IS, @Tellmetruth4.

Agree with you 100% re: cocaine, but "just a spliff" can be had by anyone who wants to quietly pop a few plants in their greenhouse amongst the tomatoes.

Unless my octogenarian neighbour is actually Mrs Big in an organised racket, & not the kindly ex-nurse she's posing as ...

RhinoskinhaveI · 29/10/2019 00:08

Thanks for making this thread OP😊 it's such a great argument for legalization😊