To ask who is actually happy with the way Brexit has gone?

[Bearbehind]

Just that really

For Remainers it’s been a shit sow from day 1

But we’re fast approaching the failure of deadline number 3 to Leave.

WTF are we hoping to get out of this?

Interesting opinions on here from people who voted leave. If there was a second referendum, would you vote the same? I didnt vote as I was only 17 at the time but I do believe that if there was a second referendum, people would vote the same out of principle. I think either we leave with a no deal or we risk not leaving at all. Also, what are peoples thoughts on a general election? I believe Johnson would have the support of those who voted leave.

*case not car!!

Who to vote for?

Not conservatives - they will (and have already) messed up the NHS, education and prison services. Only worse to come. Possibly privatisation if they stay in power much longer.

Not labour - they have been completely useless the last couple of years. And..oh my gosh...do they want another referendum on brexit? ... I honestly couldn't cope with that. Not another time please...

Not Lib Dem - their leader is awful, and they want to completely disregard the vote we had on Europe - so they liberal 'democrat' party are waving goodbye to democracy.

Who does that leave??? Brexit party? - not for me thanks. Green?? What can they really do?

I think I'll be spoiling my vote :( so so sad :(

anon that’s a conundrum many of us will face.

And lower turn our, even with spoilt ballot papers, just means BJ needs less votes to win.

Corbyn hasn’t got a fucking hope

The devil himself would be happy with how brexit has gone but even he thinks it's a bit harsh

It's not just costing you but it is also costing your EU neighbours and taking their time and attention away from pertinent matters and losing you goodwill. I think your elected representatives are failing you so badly, I would be canvassing my elected representative so much by now we would be on first name terms. You deserve better. Leave or stay, deal or no deal, you all need to be involved. The decision to leave was made 3.5 years ago, things change, opinions change and even if you still want to leave, surely everyone's goals have changed. We are all better informed about the possible benefits and drawbacks of Brexit now (even those who dont want to know about it must know by now that the original promises were hollow but there probably are some benefits(?)

Why does everyone think Conservatives would win a general election? Is it because Labour are not rated or because Jeremy Corbyn is so hated?

I feel as though politicians will spring any lie or twist the truth to gain power. Let's be honest, politicians do not live in the real world. We "commoners" are the ones who notice the changes and the disadvantages of everything they do. I can say that I will not vote for any party. This is down to not knowing enough about politics but also down to the fact that they dont tell the truth. Yes, the NHS is effected but I am happy and confident in the NHS. We recieve free health care whilst other countries dont.

Is it because Labour are not rated or because Jeremy Corbyn is so hated?

Both

Other than stopping the Tories - why vote Labour?

It’s not a positive choice - it’s to prevent the alternative and that’s not sustainable

The thing that annoys me the most about these threads is that both sides use it as a chance to take a dig at one another.

The whole affair is absolutely shocking. The way Brexit has been handled and the way politicians are acting is a disgrace, IMHO. I turned on the TV to hear MP's hackling and jeering at the opposing side. It reminded me of my school days.

To me, personally, I don't care what anyone voted. I accept people voted differently to me, and that's okay. But no matter how you voted, you have to admit, this whole thing has been a shit show.

I can't imagine 99.9% of the electorate being happy right now.

So, going on anon's post, all three leaders are awful? But Boris is the worst of a bad bunch?

Where are our decent graduates who should be going into politics and giving us someone to hope for? (I say 'us' because in my country's last election I reluctantly voted for the best of an awful bunch who have stepped up to the plate surprisingly - or maybe that's because Britain's and the US's politicians are even worse ☹.)

The US and Britain, two (former?) Super powers have awful leaders at the moment. Worse than awful, leaders who are happy to break and lower socially accepted standards.

I bet Putin's happy with how it's all going. Job done for him.

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^^ My view of Brexit

It's not as simple as just Revoke because most MPs really believe in democracy and are painfully aware that they represent Leave seats, often by quite a distance. With most other issues, we would expect them to put their personal opinions to one side to represent the views of their constituents. It really is a dilemma for them. Honestly, I think the cries of civil unrest are unlikely but trust in politicians is already low and ignoring the referendum, as I might ignore my toddler's demands, will create a powerful narrative, and could play into the hands of the far right.

I don't think anyone thinks Brexit has gone well but the "just get on with it" narrative does get through. Plenty of people don't follow the news in any detail (I can't always face it, myself!) so these soundbites get through without any detail. I think enough people honestly just think Brexit needs to happen so that we can stop talking about it. There is no chance of that, whatever the outcome.

Bearbehind

It's fucked up when the NHS and state education are screaming out for money and all this cash is being wasted on Brexit.

Exactly - this is just wasting time and money for no apparent reason.

Self awareness fail right there, if you were at all concerned about state education or the NHS you wouldn’t shouldn’t have voted Tory Bear, after all it’s your party that brought us this shit show but never mind eh especially that you’re now a No Dealer

Brexit was always doomed to failure because it was a ‘negative’ vote - to leave something, rather than a positive vote to go somewhere new. The Leave campaigners knew that it is easy to unite very different (indeed diametrically opposed) groups around a simple negative message. They probably also suspected, if they thought about it, that it would extremely hard to unite those groups around a forward plan - what to do with your ‘victory’.

If May had not triggered that election in 2017 we would have been over the line by now with some sort of Norway model - a bit embarrassed as a country, slightly poorer, but moving on, minimising the damage and trying to rebuild bridges and put the whole thing behind us. It’s that election result that has caused all the bother.

I for one voted tactically to remove my brexit supporting Conservative to punish him, even though I knew him a bit and he was quite a good MP. i wouldn’t even recognise his labour replacement in the Houses of Parliament, let alone in the street, more than two years later, so low is his profile. I am sure there were lots like me.

I would do the same again and am planning to vote tactically in the next election because I’m so angry about this vote that it has overshadowed my whole approach to politics.

I like the way it's gone.

Its shown what the politicians and media for what they really are, corrupt, biased out for themselves.

Self awareness fail right there, if you were at all concerned about state education or the NHS you wouldn’t shouldn’t have voted Tory Bear, after all it’s your party that brought us this shit show but never mind eh especially that you’re now a No Dealer

I’ve come to expect your argument resorting to the above just, however it’s totally pointless as it changes nothing.

Equally as pointless is you thinking Corbyn can be our saviour here

My DH campaigned to remain, for the Conservatives. We had a house full of the usual old fashioned campaign paraphernalia - T shirts, badgers, flyers etc. It is such a shame that the remain vote was conducted along party political lines. I’m sure that a proper non-party campaign explaining the positives of our EU membership would not have put us where we are. Association of remain with the Conservatives was pretty toxic. (Interesting that that association has all but vanished now - but it is probably too late.)

*I like the way it's gone.g

Its shown what the politicians and media for what they really are, corrupt, biased out for themselves.

Why is that a good thing when ‘taking back control’ was the Leave mantra?

Badges not badgers tee hee. A houseful of badgers would be much more fun but a bit stinky I suspect.

I don’t know anyone who is happy with it. I don’t know anyone who actually voted to leave except my dB. He’s horrified now and is full of terrible guilt and remorse that he did so.

I am beyond sick of it, find it terrifying and boring simultaneously. I just wish it had never happened and would just go away

I just wish it had never happened and would just go away

I think most people feel the same

This is a clear indication of how miserably democracy is failing at every level.

Really? I'd suggest it's doing precisely the opposite, and I'm one who is fundamentally against some of the very undemocratic, anachronistic principles at the heart of the UK constitution. Starting with the Houses of Lords and Windsor.

Recent events are showing how one megalomaniac leader is being held accountable to the HoC rather than just being able to shoehorn through an extremely difficult, complex process of negotiation because it suits his ego to do so. Had this process not taken place, a no-deal Brexit would have been significantly more likely, and the country would have suffered vastly as a result.

In terms of democracy I didn't want to see the US gun bill blocked by senate either, as this was a result I'd have liked to see, but no one can deny this was another example of democracy in action. Yes, even when it doesn't deliver the results I want. Brexit is a shining example of a divisive policy imposed on the public by the will of a divisive and divided party. No one involved in this whole process has given one shiny shit about the mess that would ensure or what that meant for the longterm future of this country.

Shouting 'YOU ARE UNDEMOCRATIC!' when you don't get the results you want only shows the rest of us a person who doesn't understand how democracy operates (or, if you're a politician, someone who does understand it and is choosing to be deliberately disingenuous). No names necessary here; we've all seen who's at it.

Incidentally, nearly half the electorate voted against Brexit. And the results of referenda are advisory only.