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Original poster

To ask who is actually happy with the way Brexit has gone?

73 replies

Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 18:57

Just that really

For Remainers it’s been a shit sow from day 1

But we’re fast approaching the failure of deadline number 3 to Leave.

WTF are we hoping to get out of this?

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Normandy144 · 25/10/2019 20:26

No. I'm not happy but it was always going to end up like this. It was clear that a vote to leave was a massive risk with a myriad of outcomes and for that reason it wasn't worth voting for. So yes I'm annoyed but not surprised. It was entirely predictable.

Elodie2019 · 25/10/2019 20:30

I believe once we are out of the European trade union we will be able to forge deals with many new countries.

So the rest of the world will be queuing up to give us better trade deals the minute we leave the EU ?
Of course they won't!

Lunaballoon · 25/10/2019 20:32

If you believed the promises and claims such as ”The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want” you’d have to be pretty peeved.

SinglePringle · 25/10/2019 20:37

What I really don’t get is this...

For those that voted to leave (JenPop but others also), doesn’t the fact that MP’s across all parties - people who know far more detail / insider info / true repercussions of Brexit - really, truly, for the majority, don’t want to leave the EU count for anything?

And if you can’t stick the MP’s, the Governor of the Bank of England is also a Remainer. And ditto the two leaders of the TUC and CBI - usually two diametrically opposed organisations. The moment they released a joint statement saying (in essence) ‘Don’t Leave’ surely crystallised the reality of Brexit?

Why do you want it in the face of really knowledgable opposition?

KennDodd · 25/10/2019 20:41

I believe once we are out of the European trade union we will be able to forge deals with many new countries.
I can't believe people are still spouting shit like this. I despair, I really do. Have people learned nothing over the last three years? The rest of the world is not going to come running and we'll be in a hugely weakened negotiating position.

Hoooo · 25/10/2019 20:42

No idea bear
No one but the hedge funders I imagine.
Crispin odey, JRM, Redwood have many millions since 2016.
Chaos is good times for disaster capitalists...

HollowTalk · 25/10/2019 20:42

I think they think all those people don't want Brexit out of some kind of spite, rather than because they know the country will be destroyed as a result.

HollowTalk · 25/10/2019 20:44

Yes, I would still have voted leave because I believe once we are out of the European trade union we will be able to forge deals with many new countries.

You do realise, @Jenpop234, that those deals won't be as good as the ones we could have had when we were part of the EU, don't you?

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 20:44

I think they think all those people don't want Brexit out of some kind of spite, rather than because they know the country will be destroyed as a result.

Really 🤔

Do you honestly think people have looked at the evidence, concluded we’d be better off outside the EU and then done all they can to avert that.

Blimey.

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SinglePringle · 25/10/2019 20:49

Think maybe you’re right HollowTalk. It’s like the biggest example of cognitive dissonance the world has seen in decades.

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 20:52

Sorry hollow I misread you post

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BoneyBackJefferson · 25/10/2019 20:54

SinglePringle

For those that voted to leave (JenPop but others also), doesn’t the fact that MP’s across all parties - people who know far more detail / insider info / true repercussions of Brexit - really, truly, for the majority, don’t want to leave the EU count for anything?

I'm not convinced that you understand the term "majority", the majority that voted voted to leave, and if you want to speak in more general terms the country is split 3 ways.

As for what MPs understand, I think that you overestimate their knowledge.

As for the other three, fair enough.

SinglePringle · 25/10/2019 21:03

Boneyback I meant the majority of MP’s, not the (frankly tiny) majority vote. And having known a few MP’s over the years, I have to disagree with your comment about their understanding of the implications. The ones I’ve known have been extremely bright. I don’t believe I’ve overestimated their collective intelligence.

Jenpop234 · 25/10/2019 21:07

The ones with Europe will probably not be as good, you're right. However we've already lined up deals which are equivalent or better with many countries outside of the EU. And we now have the freedom to make more in the future. I'm all for one worldism, free trade and free movement across the globe, not splitting the world up into rival states.

BoneyBackJefferson · 25/10/2019 21:08

SinglePringle

anecdotally the MPs that I have known are self serving fuckwits.

But we all have out own experiences to fall back on.

Also if these MPs truly knew what was going on and had the best interests of the people at heart (and not their own positions) surely they would have banded together and got brexit revoked. If of course they are truly the majority.

LaurieMarlow · 25/10/2019 21:09

However we've already lined up deals which are equivalent or better with many countries outside of the EU

That’s utter bollocks. As I’m sure you know.

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 21:10

However we've already lined up deals which are equivalent or better with many countries outside of the EU

Have we?

Who with?

For what?

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Jenpop234 · 25/10/2019 21:11

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47213842
Here is a list of countries that the UK has ALREADY made trade deals with, which will come into effect once we leave the EU. They are all equal or better than those we have.
Why should other countries be denied the ability to trade with us because they're not part of our special union? All it does is stop poor countries from being able to be major players.

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 21:13

Which ones are better?

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Jenpop234 · 25/10/2019 21:23

The US. Read the article.
Also, once we leave, we will be free to expand all of these deals with the countries listed. Currently we cannot.
I think I've answered the question you asked in your initial post. Or was the real purpose of your post just to spout the same old uninformed crap you've probably been churning out on this forum and others for years; with no actual desire to know the answer to the question you asked or to understand others views?
It's sad how many people can't be involved in political discourse these days without resorting to name calling and belittling others. Although, I suppose the horrendous way our MPs act in parliament probably inspire such an attitude.
Good night.

Hazardd · 25/10/2019 21:26

The devil himself would be happy with how brexit has gone but even he thinks it's a bit harsh.

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2019 21:27

Yes I have jen and it specifically mentions pharmaceuticals. If you don’t see that the NHS is the price for a ‘great’ trade deal with the US then you’re being incredibly naive

So, back to my question about which deals are actually better than we have now?

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ragged · 25/10/2019 21:29

BBC says they are continuity, not better deals, Jennpop. Says there are 47 countries that gave UK equivalent terms to how they presently trade with EU. They represent 8% of total current UK trade (trade in just goods I wonder, or are services included?). A few more countries are expected to sign similar agreements soon.

I appreciate your specificity, why you voted as you did.

China, USA & EU are not in the group of 47+. Those 3 must comprise... 75% of current UK trade with the world? And probably ~75% of the wealth that exists, to buy anything in the world. Can the 25% make up for huge barriers trying to trade with the 75%? How many countries are left to do deals with after one excludes PRC, EU & USA? Maybe 140 countries who share the remaining 17% of world wealth.

How much demand is there from those 140 countries for financial services, weapons, pharmaceuticals & Qashqais, I wonder...

SinglePringle · 25/10/2019 21:30

Also if these MPs truly knew what was going on and had the best interests of the people at heart (and not their own positions) surely they would have banded together and got brexit revoked. If of course they are truly the majority.

I guess the fact the Leave vote won - albeit by a very slim majority - causes the push / pull. MP’s are caught between a rock and a hard place: leave and help the country commit economic suicide / pave the way to the break up of the Union. Stay and fuck over the electorate.

Not a job I’d want right now.

Anon202020 · 25/10/2019 21:33

It's a nightmare...

But it's really shown up what our politicians are like. We all knew the majority were only interested in themselves, and that politics was just a game of who can win. But this brexit 2 years, and especially recent months, has really shown that to be the car more than ever.

What a system. What a nightmare. Well done Cameron 👏Hmm

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