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to think that an election on the 12th December is a bad idea because it will affect Christmas at primary schools?

302 replies

chomalungma · 24/10/2019 20:38

How many Christmas plays will be on on that day?

I am sure some will be able to be altered - but it's a really crappy time to close a school for voting when there are parties, school plays and the end of term atmosphere.

There are other reasons as well - but this is just one that may not have been thought about.

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rainingallday · 24/10/2019 22:31

I can't believe the fuss people are making about the election being in December. What a ridiculous amount of fuss over nothing.

Makes me wonder how people get through a day when they throw such a strop over such a non-issue.

Get a grip, seriously.

Life goes on in December, and people still do SOME things that are not related to Christmas. And SOME people manage to get out and about in the snow and ice. Even the 'old.' Hmm

Petrichor11 · 24/10/2019 22:31

YABU

Future of the country... or having to reschedule some nativity plays... if you seriously have to ask which is more important then there’s no helping you

chomalungma · 24/10/2019 22:31

we are going to have to agree to differ. I don't know anyone who is 'older' who would find it any harder to get out to vote in December than they would in May or June

I am paying perfect attention thank you, and I know older people are not helpless

There are some older people who do struggle in the winter months. Especially if it's icy. A long walk to the polling station can be difficult or worrying because of the danger of falls. I know older people who do worry about such things - because they have experienced a bad fall. They rely on others to bring them food if they can't get out.

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MutedUser · 24/10/2019 22:32

I live in a big town and all the polling stations are in Primary schools and they always shut for the day. I think the kids would rather have the day off . They can arrange their play on another day .

JulietTango · 24/10/2019 22:33

A village near us has no school or village hall. They hire a caravan for the day and have their polling station in there

ForInstance · 24/10/2019 22:33

Quite right. They can’t have thought it through at all.

In fact, if I were to look across Boris Johnson’s entire political career for an example of an ill-thought-through decision, it’d definitely be this.

Likethebattle · 24/10/2019 22:34

@Velveteenfruitbowl I loved elections as a kid as our school was a polling station. Free day off. At our last home the local school was the polling station and here it’s the community centre.

EngTech · 24/10/2019 22:34

I think we should have a referendum to see if people want a GE on that day and then ask the MP’s to argue about it for 3+ years about which is priority i.e. GE or a Nativity play 😳

In other news, bears defecate in the woods 👍👍

tashkent · 24/10/2019 22:35

Everyone's lambasting the OP, but the fact is that general election turnout IS affected by factors like rain etc. It might be depressing that people can't be arsed to vote if it's raining, but that doesn't stop it being true. I can well imagine that bad weather, short daylight hours and general pre-Christmas busy-ness would make a difference to turnout.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 24/10/2019 22:39

There's some shocking ageism on this thread

My next door neighbour (a few years ago) asked me to pick up her Christmas turkey...from the village...cos she was old...and it had been snowing

Obviously i did it..thing was fucking huge to be fair, she would never have made it

FunnysInLaJardin · 24/10/2019 22:40

lol

chomalungma · 24/10/2019 22:41

Interesting though - if the weather does affect turnout, I wonder what party will be affected most?

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blackteasplease · 24/10/2019 22:43

To be fair, Boris probably doesn't even know how many school plays he ought to be going to....

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 24/10/2019 22:43

tash

Well, not everyone

But i agree with you

Doman · 24/10/2019 22:46

Fuck me. Now I've heard it all.

ArseDarkly · 24/10/2019 22:46

Perhaps the EU will give us another 7-month extension so we can give the Easter bunny a clear run as well?

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2019 22:49

Far more important issue with a December GE:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/december-election-could-bring-curtain-down-on-nativity-plays-bgm55hd3h

A December election would have to be run using two versions of Britain’s register of voters,
posing unique difficulties for the organisers, ministers have been warned.

Returning officers and the Electoral Commission have raised concerns with the Cabinet Office about the logistical problems of a pre-Christmas election,
should <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.thetimes.co.uk/topic/boris-johnson" target="blank">Boris Johnsonon succeed in calling one.^

These include asking schools to reschedule nativity plays to make way for polling stations,
hiring outside lighting to illuminate the stations at night as well as drawing up contingency plans to deal with bad winter weather.

In particular, they have highlighted
changes to the electoral register that are due to come into effect on December 1

Councils are duty-bound to update their electoral registers annually
....
The Cabinet Office has been told that if Mr Johnson were successful in calling an election next week, local authorities would be left in a bind.

They would have to send out polling cards to voters using the old electoral register
but would have to run the election using the new register, at the start of December.

The law stipulates a minimum 25-day period between an election being called and polling day, with cards being sent out at the start of the process.

This would mean that polling cards would be sent out using the old version of the electoral register

while election staff working in polling stations would be checking names off against the new version of the list**
Confused
< what could go wrong ... >

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 24/10/2019 22:51
Hmm

It's not just primary schools and the nativity play though, is it?

Plenty of community centres, village halls, pubs, other local buildings, as well as all the school halls.

Lots of them will have bookings for events, plays, parties etc. It's going to make things very difficult.

Of course it's important, but when you're a rural village with one community space that's already booked and paid for a Christmas party or pantomime, availability is going to be an issue.

SomeHalfHumanCreatureThing · 24/10/2019 22:52

Not to mention potential weather problems and likelihood of certain groups being unable to get to their polling station to vote.

wondering7777 · 24/10/2019 22:53

Dead god, fate of the entire country on the line but no, the fucking Christmas play is more important!

Couldn’t help but Grin at this!

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 24/10/2019 22:54

I agree COMPLETELY with somehalf

December/winter is a pain in the arse

It it wasn’t a pain in the arse then EVERY election would be held in December

Natsel84 · 24/10/2019 22:54

12th of December... it's my oh birthday that day... now I have an excuse not to buy him something as I will be busy running to my local poll station to vote 🙄🙄🙄

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 24/10/2019 22:56

Bad luck nat

Its dds birthday on the 19th...not that she cares to be fair Grin

MintyMabel · 24/10/2019 22:59

I don't know anyone who is 'older' who would find it any harder to get out to vote in December than they would in May or June.

Safe to say you don’t know everyone. Many older people struggle to get out and about in winter.

I am paying perfect attention thank you, and I know older people are not helpless!

Except you think everyone has a polling station in walking distance. My parents’ closest station is 6 miles away. If they get early snow (not uncommon in their area) they won’t be able to get there as their advancing years has seen them unable to safely drive in winter weather. Even in my village on the edge of a town, we have a polling station with a catchment of around five miles, in a very hilly landscape. No way could someone who struggles even a little with mobility navigate winter paths to get there.

Except you think that not being able to walk distances on icy paths renders someone as “helpless”

I’m going to hazard a guess you have never lived anywhere even semi-rural.

There's some shocking ageism on this thread.
Or, a recognition that, as people age, there are some things which are more difficult for them. Like, getting out and about, and keeping warm. Death rates sky rocket for older people in winter and organisations like age concern recommend older people avoid going out as much as possible. You doubtlessly are thinking of the spritely late 60s pensioner. You seem to forget there are increasing numbers of those over 75 who are still on the electoral roll. My grandma was 96 when she last voted. My parents took her to the polling station because she didn’t trust the postal vote. There is no way they would have been able to do so if it were in the middle of a cold, icy spell.

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 24/10/2019 23:00

Boris doesn’t care about the plebs offspring and the poor people schools they go to.

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