IRISH issue but craicnet dead - immigration

[Minorityreports]

I've been involved in a facebook discussion about 130 immigrants to be housed in Ballinamore, Co. Leitrim. Locals have been protesting and holding overnight protests/vigils.

My initial reaction was you fucking bigots.

But now my reaction is actually, where the fuck are they putting these people - if anyone knows Leitrim, there is pretty much nothing there in the line of work (if these immigrants even have visas permitting them to work).

Could they not spread them out, in places where they might find work? I'm not sure of the status of the immigrants as their is no article, just a FB headline from a local radio station.

Thoughts anyone? Particularly if you actually know more about their status than I do.

Is housing 130 immigrants in one tiny village/town in the middle of fucking nowhere, a good idea?

I think that it’s important to note that the people seeking asylum in this type of accommodation won’t be able to work.

So they’ll receive a tiny amount of money to subsidise their lifestyle while their accommodation and three meals a day is paid for.

It’s a really awful situation for anyone to live through.

They will have nothing to contribute to the local economy (the food provided will probably be tendered for and brought in from far away). The won’t frequent local cafes/pubs/takeaways and so on. Their children will have to depend on hand outs for school provisions. In some larger Direct Provision areas, charities already are coming under pressure to support these families with their Back to school costs.

I’m cynical and believe that the local area won’t want them because they won’t be seen as an asset to the area (for the above reasons).

Many of them will have qualifications and skills that could be put to use, allowing for a dignified existence and a boost to the local economy.

But the Irish asylum validation process is slow and cumbersome. Meanwhile, Direct Provision reside in situations that lead to damaged mental health and low self esteem for the children living there.

Yes saw that Emerald. There are no go areas also in Blanchardstown, Balbriggan, Tallaght and the inner city. Taxi drivers and delivery drivers won't go there anymore. Most of the perpetrators were born here to migrants as far as I know so I don't think they are in DP.

Syrians should and I think are treated well in this country. I believe they are housed very quickly and don't spend much time if any in direct provision. It is those posing as refugees from countries i.e economic migrants that spend a long time there.

Up to September last year the following were the main nationalities in DP:

Pakistan, Congo, Nigeria, Georgia, Albania, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

The above nations have a rejection rate in excess of 90%. Like every country there are rules to who can and cannot stay. Two thirds of failed asylum seekers in Ireland were known to UK border officials. If people are rejected should we let them stay anyway even if they broke the rules to get here? Do we just open our borders and all welcome? Ireland is tiny. Population is less than 5 million compared to 1.26 billion in Africa.

Encouraging NGO's to transport migrants from the med should be a crime. It is a complete money racket. They should bring them back to the nearest country instead of picking them up off the coast of Libya and taking them to Italy. The NGO's have effectively become illegal people traffickers and are encouraging more to risk their life to come here and for what? DP in Ireland in a much colder/wet climate in the back of beyond is hardly the land of milk/honey they imagined or were promised.

Most of the perpetrators were born here to migrants as far as I know so I don't think they are in DP
Not the teens no, though lots of their parent's were before they were resettled in new estates.
I stayed up for hours last night searching safer area's down the country under €120,000.

The expression 'non nationals' speaks volumes to me. I am amazed the Irish government thought something that was so clearly designed to separate people was OK.

I really despise your attitude @JaneJeffer. There is more than a hint of the thug about it. I wasn't allowed to have an opinion when I lived there and you seem to want to silence those who express an opinion once they have left. What makes your narrow view the one we all have to listen to?

I lived all over Ireland during the boom and I was amazed at how ordinary people took newcomers into the homes and communities. I was also really hurt that you treated them better than you have ever treated those of us born in the UK. It brought home to me that there is a legitimisation to a certain attitude in Ireland and until that is dismantled, the bigotry won't go. I really feel sorry for those of you who hide behind this. Life doesn't have to be viewed through a lense of spite.

I try and hold on to how welcoming and warm my family there are and the few friends I made who invited me into their homes and made me feel welcome. I don't want to attribute anything negative to all Irish , it is just that the wall of defiance, with its underlying stubborn ignorance in the face of facts, doesn't represent the country and its people (or its history) and your insistence that it does cannot go unchecked.

It also has its origins in right wing British nationalism, so thats who you are really defending.

You were bordering on abusive there until this gem
It also has its origins in right wing British nationalism, so thats who you are really defending.

@Minorityrights Abusive?????

@Minorityrights I really hope you reply because I am bewildered as to how my post was 'bordering on abusive'.

@saltandvinegararethebest I'm personally confused about what you're so angry at @JaneJeffer about. You were exceptionally rude to her and she doesn't seem to have done anything but post mostly factual information in a measured and calm way.

How have I been exceptionally rude? Seriously?

Well the rather large rant below, where you more or less called her a thug and implied she was defending people with the same morals as British nationalists..?

I'm going to bed I think. Odd thread is odd!

My apologies - it was @Cathnip's response to @lolaflores that upset me Some of @JaneJeffer's comments are balance but I think some are unhelpful and snippy.

balanced

implied she was defending people with the same morals as British nationalists..?

No, I was pointing out that criticising the Irish who emigrated has its origins in right-wing British nationalism. Why would Irish people (living in Ireland) want to support that?

Where did I criticise the Irish who emigrated? Seeing as I emigrated in the 80's myself that would be very hypocritical indeed.

WTF are ya on about?

@JaneJeffer my apologies, Jane. I got you mixed up with another poster.

That's ok @saltandvinegararethebest

Looks like direct provision is on hold for Leitrim.
Tipperary had similar reservations though the change of heart has been kind.
www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-tipperary-town-that-changed-its-mind-on-asylum-seekers-1.4062528