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AIBU?

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To feel upset that grown up son hates me?

57 replies

Mylittlerobin · 22/10/2019 16:32

My son is now 23 (I have a daughter aged 20 also) and seems to hate me, and has done for the past 14 years or so. His father left when he was 3 and he had a loving stable childhood. Meals were home cooked, friends allowed to stay often, trips etc and bedtime stories and cuddles plentiful. There wasn't much money but there was attention.

I wasn't perfect, used to be a bit of a party animal and enjoyed clubbing and was a bit wayward with drinking on occasions along with some more illicit substances, but only on occasions when they weren't there and the house was always clean and tidy and for their return. I chose not to have a bf for almost 15 years in order to focus on the children, and worked full time to provide for them.

My son now blames me for everything wrong in his life, he has continually smoked weed for over 8 years but that is to 'escape his thoughts'. I've done everything in my power to stop this. He has left jobs because 'someone has picked on him' and it's 'bad for his mental state'. He refused even to sign on whilst living with me because he 'didn't want to demean himself' so I worked extra hours to put food on the table. He wouldn't help with housework or contribute in any way.

He now blames me for not finding a man to provide a 'suitable role model' and tells me I mothered him far too much. The thing is, he's a really good looking lad with a lovely personality and a wicked sense of humour when I get a rare glimpse of this. He blames me for having no self-esteem or self-confidence and wants a gf but says there's no point in approaching girls until he's 'in the right place', but doesn't act to get himself there. He gambles any money he earns or is given and refuses to go to Gamblers Anonymous.

I know he is depressed and have offered GP appointments, counselling, helplines, everything but he refuses to get help. He says 'why should I get help for something you contributed to' (his depression). He says 'your actions in the past are unforgivable'. It seems he has rewritten history to a degree because I know I did my best and was a good mother.

He is currently out of work and sofa surfing. My loving and considerate bf is getting exasperated with him only turning up when he wants lifts/money/food.

AIBU to think that he is being totally unfair to me? I've had my own many issues to deal with over the years and it saddens me so much that he doesn't respect me, or show me any consideration for my problems. He focuses on all the negative aspects from his upbringing and doesn't seem to remember all the good times. He basically annihilates my entire personality and character via text and email.

My daughter and I enjoy a great, if sometimes volatile relationship, and she tells me I spoilt him which is why he turned out like this. He tells me he gets upset when he sees other people's parents as he is jealous that he never had that. He is jealous because a lot of his mates have wealthy parents and are more established in their lives than he is. He says 'how can I be happy when I have no place of my own, no car and no gf? He's just sent me an email saying 'I don't respect, trust or even like you' in response to my offering to find him a place to live and pay six months' rent up front.

At what stage do you say to someone 'enough, time to sort yourself out'? As a mother it is incredibly hard to let go and stop worrying and trying to help all the time.

OP posts:
seaweedandmarchingbands · 22/10/2019 17:04

This sounds like he is being abusive towards you. The best thing you can do for yourself (and probably him as well) is give him a fortnight to move out.

floodypuddle · 22/10/2019 17:12

My brother has been like this with my mum. Wanted to blame all his fuck ups on her when she was fab and did her best. It's just his personality, he's a miserable sod and my other siblings all appreciate her. Honestly think the best thing you can do is to tell him to get stuffed and sort his own life out in that case. I wouldn't engage it anymore at all. Just parrot 'sorry you feel that way' if you need to say anything at all

SnuggyBuggy · 22/10/2019 17:16

He needs to get off the weed but how you'd persuade him is anyone's guess. I agree he probably does need to try and stand on his own two feet if from his perspective everything you do is wrong anyway.

Greysparkles · 22/10/2019 17:19

What is your response when he sends messages like that?? Tell him to fuck off! What are you afraid of??

WagtailRobin · 22/10/2019 17:22

You can only do so much and if what you can offer/do for him is never wanted/appreciated, there's really no point in continuing to offer.

Perhaps you should back off, in the sense of leave him to his own devices and let him make the next contact. Obviously he has a lot of anger (for whatever reason) but if you're truly adamant that his anger towards you is misplaced then let him get on with it and maybe in time he will realise he needs you more than he is currently prepared to admit.

He's a young adult now, he has to find peace with his past and only he can do that.

missyB1 · 22/10/2019 17:23

You arent the root of his problems - weed is. But it's easier for him to blame you rather than grow up and stop smoking dope.

Leave him to sort himself out. Whatever you try to do will be thrown back in your face anyway.

Wonkybanana · 22/10/2019 17:24

The time to tell him enough's enough is now. Google gaslighting - it isn't solely confined to intimate partners.

It's his decision to be a victim, because while he might wish he'd had both parents about I doubt it was your fault his father upped sticks and left. And you don't refer to any further involvement from his dad either. Which is making me think he's inherited his father's irresponsibility.

You know that you've done your best. You know the sacrifices you've made. He has the choice to respect those or not, but you have the right to be clear in your own mind that you didn't cause this. Maybe you did spoil him, and now he feels you owe him not just the essentials but the world. Tough.

You can't make him into what he refuses to be. You'll mourn that, that you don't have the relationship you'd like it to be. But stay strong and believe in what you did for him.

ChevalierTialys · 22/10/2019 17:24

I think you need to go Low contact with him for a while. If you've mothered him too much, let him experience zero mothering. He is being abusive and manipulative and you should tell him that as well as telling him you previous offers of assistance are now withdrawn.

He's just sent me an email saying 'I don't respect, trust or even like you' in response to my offering to find him a place to live and pay six months' rent up front. This is an absolutely appalling thing to say to anyone, let alone his own mum when you're offering him help. I'd be a wreck if my son said that. He does not deserve to have you pay 6 months rent for him.

Whoops75 · 22/10/2019 17:24

He’s old enough to be told that he’s a drug addict not a victim.

Let him stand on his two feet OP

PlasticPatty · 22/10/2019 17:27

Now would be a good time to 'tell him enough, time to sort yourself out', or to show him that by backing off.
Eventually, we have to accept that we aren't responsible for whether our children are happy or not. We did our best raising them (or not, as the case may be) but the job is mostly done, they're adults now. We can listen, nod, suggest if we don't mind being firmly shut down, and try not to take it personally. It gets easier with practise.

RB68 · 22/10/2019 17:28

He needs to take responsibility for his own actions - step 1 move the fuck out and stand on his own two feet for a start

ElizaDee · 22/10/2019 17:29

Cut him off and let him stand on his own two feet.

mbosnz · 22/10/2019 17:33

I really like that line from Whoops75, that now it's time to tell him he's not a victim, he's a drug addict.

It sounds like he has sod all to complain about, but he worships at the feet of Our Lady of Perpetual Aggrievement (sp).

LittleSweet · 22/10/2019 17:37

He has to take responsibility for himself. Go low contact. I think weed makes people paranoid. He may feel angry he didn't have a father growing up. He's blaming you because you are his Mum. How can he put his anger on a person who isn't there? He is putting it on you as you are his stability, he can show his worst face to you and you will still love him. Maybe you did over compensate and spoil him, but it's only natural. You want your child to be happy. I think he's self medicating with the weed. But there isn't much you can do about it until he is ready to get help. Email him back explaining how hurt you are, but that you both need some time apart to calm down. It's easy to put the anger out and blame others for your own mistakes. Don't give him more money. Tell him that you will always be there, but you want him to sort out his life as your relationship as it is at the moment is causing more upset than is good for either of you.

Raphael34 · 22/10/2019 17:38

I can get where your daughters coming from op. It’s like he can do no wrong. He’s lazy, spoilt, entitled, selfish, rude and disrespectful, yet he’s got you bending over backwards for him. He’s got no girlfriend, car, job/income, and your response to this is to subsidise him and even offer to pay for a flat for 6 months while he’s treating you like a doormat and speaking to you like shit. This kids got nothing going for him because you’re enabling this behaviour. No matter how much money you do or don’t have, he is simply spoilt rotten

ControversialFerret · 22/10/2019 17:39

You email him back and tell him that you've got his message and you're stepping back as he clearly wants to stand on his own two feet. But that this means no coming to you for lifts, food or money.

Hesafriendfromwork · 22/10/2019 17:44

He needs to sort himself out and he sounds like he is being unfair.

But I dont think you are being honest. Money was tight, but enough money for you to be a party animal and do drugs?

He definitely needs to take responsibility for himself. Maybe you did spoil him but he is an adult now.

But I have known several parents describe themseleves like you do. Did drugs, drsnk alot, parties but 'only whenever the kids werent there'. It still seems to impact the children.

Maybe you all need to be a bit more honest.

Would he go to family counselling?

Herocomplex · 22/10/2019 17:44

You both seem to want to blame the other, so you’re fairly stuck where you are. If you’re offering him genuine help and he’s not accepting it then tell him the offer’s there but you’re not sure how you can help him otherwise.
He’s not taking responsibility for himself but he sounds pretty miserable. Tell him you can’t change what’s happened, only what happens now.

You can cut him free if you want to. Is that what you’re really thinking? Maybe he’ll sort himself out, maybe he won’t.

Whoops75 · 22/10/2019 17:46

Stop enabling him
He’s an adult behaving like a teenager.

His words are meaningless OP
Your actions haven’t held him back or ruined his life, his have.

You’re not a not a bad mother, he is a bad son. Tell him to clean up his act and you’ll be there for him but you’re not going to be an outlet for his frustrations anymore.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 22/10/2019 17:49

I can get where your daughters coming from op. It’s like he can do no wrong. He’s lazy, spoilt, entitled, selfish, rude and disrespectful yet he’s got you bending over backwards for him

This^

Time to step back. He needs to grow up.

TurpentineWine · 22/10/2019 17:50

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Aquamarine1029 · 22/10/2019 17:56

Nothing will ever change for him until you refuse to tolerate his abuse and stop supporting him. Tell him the days of blaming you for all of his fuck ups are over.

NotALoozerHonestly · 22/10/2019 18:00

He is being awful to you, and is is completely unacceptable.

However I do wonder if you are minimising your party animal phase. What was going on with the drink and drugs?

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 22/10/2019 18:03

He's definitely behaving like a brat and at his age it is all a bit much.

The drug taking may have had more of an effect on both children than you think though. Have you asked them? Who were they with when you were partying?

Beveren · 22/10/2019 18:05

Tell him that he really has to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for himself and his own life; also that it's bloody hypocritical to sling abuse at you whilst expecting you to keep subsidising him. And chuck him out.