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AIBU?

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To feel upset that grown up son hates me?

57 replies

Mylittlerobin · 22/10/2019 16:32

My son is now 23 (I have a daughter aged 20 also) and seems to hate me, and has done for the past 14 years or so. His father left when he was 3 and he had a loving stable childhood. Meals were home cooked, friends allowed to stay often, trips etc and bedtime stories and cuddles plentiful. There wasn't much money but there was attention.

I wasn't perfect, used to be a bit of a party animal and enjoyed clubbing and was a bit wayward with drinking on occasions along with some more illicit substances, but only on occasions when they weren't there and the house was always clean and tidy and for their return. I chose not to have a bf for almost 15 years in order to focus on the children, and worked full time to provide for them.

My son now blames me for everything wrong in his life, he has continually smoked weed for over 8 years but that is to 'escape his thoughts'. I've done everything in my power to stop this. He has left jobs because 'someone has picked on him' and it's 'bad for his mental state'. He refused even to sign on whilst living with me because he 'didn't want to demean himself' so I worked extra hours to put food on the table. He wouldn't help with housework or contribute in any way.

He now blames me for not finding a man to provide a 'suitable role model' and tells me I mothered him far too much. The thing is, he's a really good looking lad with a lovely personality and a wicked sense of humour when I get a rare glimpse of this. He blames me for having no self-esteem or self-confidence and wants a gf but says there's no point in approaching girls until he's 'in the right place', but doesn't act to get himself there. He gambles any money he earns or is given and refuses to go to Gamblers Anonymous.

I know he is depressed and have offered GP appointments, counselling, helplines, everything but he refuses to get help. He says 'why should I get help for something you contributed to' (his depression). He says 'your actions in the past are unforgivable'. It seems he has rewritten history to a degree because I know I did my best and was a good mother.

He is currently out of work and sofa surfing. My loving and considerate bf is getting exasperated with him only turning up when he wants lifts/money/food.

AIBU to think that he is being totally unfair to me? I've had my own many issues to deal with over the years and it saddens me so much that he doesn't respect me, or show me any consideration for my problems. He focuses on all the negative aspects from his upbringing and doesn't seem to remember all the good times. He basically annihilates my entire personality and character via text and email.

My daughter and I enjoy a great, if sometimes volatile relationship, and she tells me I spoilt him which is why he turned out like this. He tells me he gets upset when he sees other people's parents as he is jealous that he never had that. He is jealous because a lot of his mates have wealthy parents and are more established in their lives than he is. He says 'how can I be happy when I have no place of my own, no car and no gf? He's just sent me an email saying 'I don't respect, trust or even like you' in response to my offering to find him a place to live and pay six months' rent up front.

At what stage do you say to someone 'enough, time to sort yourself out'? As a mother it is incredibly hard to let go and stop worrying and trying to help all the time.

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Krisskrosskiss · 22/10/2019 18:05

He doesnt hate you or really blame you... it sounds like hes just miserable right now and saying miserable things... take a step back and try and not take it personally... he needs to sort his life out himself, no one can do it for him now. Whatever you were or went as a parent is not something to focus on for him because its not going to help him.... I think a lot of people in their early twenties who arent as successful as theyd like go through this phase of trying to pick apart their childhood and find out 'where ot all went wrong'.... hopefully hell get past this eventually and be able to focus on his future... because that's the only thing that's actually going to help him.

GreenTulips · 22/10/2019 18:06

He basically annihilates my entire personality and character via text and email

What would you do if I sent those messages?? - Do that!

TheABC · 22/10/2019 18:07

Ok, take him at his word. He does not like or trust you. He does not want your help.

Step back. Tell him to find his own place within the next month, so he can finally be apart from you. As an added bonus, your relationship with your daughter may improve too.

You do realise that he is reverse blaming you as the convenient adult in the room?

Twillow · 22/10/2019 18:08

Have you had a look at borderline personality disorder?

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 22/10/2019 18:09

Sorry son I am not listening to you anymore.I did my best.Enough now .Sort yourself out and come back when you do My door will always be open when you can behave like a respectful adult..Get on with it. I am sick of your disrespect and I am done with it.Make it on your own if it makes you happy see how easy life really is....then press send.

Cherrysoup · 22/10/2019 18:09

Stop giving him money, stop allowing him to stay. It’s time for him to grow up.

Louloubelle78 · 22/10/2019 18:36

You sound like a great mum. What you have chosen to do in your own time is not the issue. You obviously brought up your kids the same way. Your daughter has managed to get on in life. He is self medicating with weed and is in a vicious cycle. He is not taking any responsibility for his own actions. My step daughter sounds exactly the same as your son. What does his Dad say? Does he support you with this situation? I would definitely serve notice and then change the locks. When he is mic older, maybe with his own kids he'll understand this. If he hates you so much what is he doing there??

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2019 19:19

Where is his father? He should have been his primary role model and if he wasn’t this isn’t your responsibility.

As others have said, as long as you agree to put up with this shit, it will continue.

Caselgarcia · 22/10/2019 19:27

I'd reply 'yes, it's clear you don't respect or even like me. I think it's time for you to live your life the way you want to and be responsible for your own actions. Good luck'

TimeforanotherChange · 22/10/2019 19:36

I'd send him an email saying You need to grow up. Complaining it's not fair because your friends have wealthy parents and you don't is utterly pathetic. You've never done anything to provide yourself with the basics in life, such as a roof over your head because you are a drug addict who likes to blame other people for your problems. Until you deal with this your life will not improve - and frankly I have no respect or much trust and liking for you either after all the abuse you've given me. I'll leave you alone now.

DonKeyshot · 22/10/2019 19:48

You've tried everything else and now it's time for tough love.

Stop providing for him, stop enabling him, and tell him to leave your home by the end of the month.

Point him in the direction of your nearest YMCA - although he's older than most 'young people' I doubt that they'll turn him away and they'll help him turn his life around.

Aprillygirl · 22/10/2019 19:53

As hard as it will be I think right now is the time to tell him enough is enough. Maybe if you stick up for yourself and show him some tough love he will respect you and appreciate you more.

Northernparent68 · 22/10/2019 20:30

His behaviour is bad, but maybe as others have suggested his perception of his childhood is different to yours. In particular you might want to think about what’s it’s like having a party animal for a mother.

CatsOnCatnip · 22/10/2019 21:11

You are not being unreasonable to be upset, you’ve tried to be the best mum you could to him. I know someone going through this exact same thing except even worse (older, no attempts at ever finding employment and living at home). You don’t have the hassle of kicking him out of your house, so quite frankly if that’s the way he feels about you, you may as well cut him off. Maybe he’ll start to see things a little more clearly? At the moment you’re already enemy number one in his warped mind.

Lucifer666 · 22/10/2019 21:21

You sound like a great mum OP but with the best will in the world you won't change your son. Sorry to be harsh but he sounds like a spoilt brat who expects everything handed to him on a silver platter and doesn't understand the simple fact of "what you want in life you have to get up and work hard for it". He lashes out OP as a way of making you feel bad so he can behave how he likes without repurcussions well time to get tough OP. He's now an adult its time to stop playing the blame game and grow up. I'm sure plenty of us on here have had tough upbringings but at some point you have to just step up and take control if he won't do this then stop doing stuff for him no washing his clothes, no giving him money don't pay anything towards him he'll soon learn exactly what hardship is then when you're not there to pick up after him and bail him out.

NaviSprite · 22/10/2019 21:26

I have a lot of very real issues with my own Mum - who was far worse than what you've stated in your OP - I wouldn't ever dream of speaking to her this way.

Has he ever offered any content to his accusations? If it's the cruel comments with no attempt to fight his own corner and state WHY he feels that way then I'd say he is in need of a reality check ASAP.

I agree that children who grow up through adversities have a very different experience to what their parents or parental figures have in their minds, but unless he is actually willing to give you more on why he feels this way it's a bit hollow and therefore seems it's being said just to spite you and blame you for his life not being how he wants it to be, rather than accepting the responsibility of being an adult.

My Mum abandoned me and my two siblings when I was a baby, she left me with her alcoholic Parents who tried really hard to do right by us, but they were cold and distant people, I grew up as a mediator because of their constant fighting (often times physical violence). My Mum would swan in and out of my life as she pleased, often towing a new 'boyfriend' along each time. She was a party animal, she was almost always drunk or severely hungover and perpetuated the cycle of drinking - violence - misery that my Grandparents had.

It took until my late 20's to reach out to her as I'd fallen pregnant and needed a medical history, after that we started forging a relationship (after a lot of soul searching and many candid heart to hearts with her).

I could have chosen to blame her for all the ups and downs in my own life, some of which were actually her doing, but I'd still never speak to her in the manner your son speaks to you @Mylittlerobin

If he's not willing to work through his issues in a healthy way, then I think stepping back for now is the best you can do for your own MH.

I'm sorry you have to bear the brunt of his ire - when a lot of it should probably be aimed at his absent Father.

Mummaofmytribe · 22/10/2019 21:30

I sympathise. Having s terrible time with my eldest DS currently. Suddenly everything is my fault. I supported his partner and child when he was abusive to them. Now she's taken him back and I'm the scapegoat.
My Drs tell me I spoilt him and overcompenssted for his vile father after I fled the marriage. They're right.
I'm so hurt and angry but I've stopped blaming myself. I was a good mother. Not perfect. But always did my best.
I had him as a teen so he's been my whole life and I'm heartbroken but I will not continue to be the whipping boy. I've pulled right back. I think you have to also.

Mummaofmytribe · 22/10/2019 21:30

*DDs

Oblomov19 · 22/10/2019 21:36

Every sympathy. That kind of woe is me attitude is just part of his inherent personality and can not be changed. I bet it probably won't.

Why don't you sit him down and tell him? Tell him you can do no more/fed up?

willloman · 22/10/2019 21:40

the lad is paranoid from all the dope. Don't keep enabling him. What are you afraid will happen if you set some boundaries? You can't change his behaviour but you certainly can address your own. Next time he tries blaming you, for spoiling him or anything else, tell him you had a tough childhood too but everyone has to grow up. And then let him do just that.

Nofunkingworriesmate · 23/10/2019 09:51

I would do 3 months rent and 3 months of counselling ( way more generous than he deserves)
Can you get other family members to have aword with him and support you in getting distance and emotional boundaries? I know way more fucked up mums ( drunk drugs abusive / abusive partners etc who have better relationships) his problems are weed and depression not you

Mylittlerobin · 23/10/2019 10:18

Hesafriendfromwork – yes maybe I should reflect more on my own behaviour, money was tight but I never purchased drugs they were always on tap from a certain group of friends (who I no longer mix with), so I didn’t use money that could have otherwise gone towards the children for my social life. Yes I fully admit it wasn’t an ideal lifestyle but it was kept to a minimum – I guess I was trying to live a little in a stressful life with no support from their father, only headaches.
I feel I was always trying to compensate/make up for the fact that his father was useless and that’s where I spoilt them.
My daughter? She has heaps of praise for me and thanks me for making her the motivated, mature person she is today, she tells me I did an amazing job, which makes his hostility all the more bewildering.

We have had some heart to heart talks and when I feel we are making progress the next time I see him it all disappears and he becomes rude and surly again. He refers back to single incidents ten or more years ago e.g. when I embarrassed him for picking him up earlier than everyone else from a party, stuff like that, and when I refused to let him do things that his other peers did, e.g. stay out late, i.e. later than 12pm when he was 14 or so. He attacks me for insisting he came on family holidays to Greece, Centreparcs, USA etc saying he didn't even want to come, blimey, sorry about giving you those opportunities!

I feel so guilty that he’s not happy, I spend so much time thinking about it and it’s taken a toll on my health, sleeping and relationship with my bf. I literally cannot switch off from caring about him for more than a few days. He has mentioned that life is not worth living a few times which worries the hell out of me. I’ve recently started taking anti-depressants which has helped a bit. I’m not looking for pity, just real advice on what I can do for him – you’ve all been so supportive – thank you :)

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PookieDo · 23/10/2019 10:30

Hmm I am sometimes in a similar situation to you OP with my eldest daughter and outside looking in, I think my guilt and desire to over compensate for lack of decent father/money made me spoil her emotionally. This creates a very unbalanced weird dynamic where they literally have relied on you to carry them through everything and once they become adults, fall apart when they realise you aren’t going to carry them along anymore. They weren’t ready to stand on their own 2 feet and don’t bloody want to

The more and more you bend and twist yourself to ‘save him’ the more he will heap his feelings onto you and I wonder if he’s trying to punish you with this anguish. It does seem abusive. He wants you to stay awake all night worrying about him...

This is a weird co-dependency push pull type thing. Can’t live without you, can’t live with you. It’s easier to dump everything on you than make the effort to pull himself together. Don’t be upset by this but I think you will admit he doesn’t have any empathy for anyone and never has?

EmeraldShamrock · 23/10/2019 10:32

He's just sent me an email saying 'I don't respect, trust or even like you' in response to my offering to find him a place to live and pay six months' rent up front
Jez OP how horrible. I agree with others you have done enough he needs to climb out of his own hole.
He is use to upsetting you and expecting to be pampered too
I'd replied "that is ok, I can't change your feelings, I know I done my best for you but it was not enough, I can't help anymore you're an adult"
He is abusive. Flowers

PookieDo · 23/10/2019 10:35

My DD will fake an illness (shes good at it too) now and again for sympathy. Then she will try to get me to baby her (shes 17).

Last weekend we were all home together and she chose to sit in her room so I asked DD2 to play scrabble with me. I invited DD1 she said no. We were laughing and having fun with it, when DD1 came down and started trying to sabotage it. It was really sad to see and I didn’t allow it to happen, but her reaction to being ignored when behaving badly was slightly unnerving. She will also make threats for attention.

I think you would benefit from some counselling to be honest to make yourself stronger