To feel really sorry for Prince Harry breaking down

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At the awards show. I have been a little skeptical about him recently but my heart really went out to him when I saw the footage.

I have a feeling that having a child has triggered a huge amount of unresolved grief and anxiety. Now he has this dear little boy who is at the mercy of the tabloid press, as is his wife and there is little he can do to protect him.

It's time the press laid off. This is a human being breaking in front of us.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/prince-harry-wellchild-awards-speech-emotional-meghan-pregnant-tears-a9157751.html

I think if Meghan hadn’t gone into this marriage with rose tinted glasses on and looked at what actually has happened to women who marry in she might not feel so aggrieved. There is a price to pay for all that wealth and privilege. I don’t think she realised that.

I think the Fergie thing is different.

That’s not to say it’s necessarily lesser. It was fucking appalling. That was an era where it was ok to openly criticise women for being fat, which is dreadful. I presume the press would not be so, um, straightforward in their attacks nowadays.

With Meghan, the attacks are not straightforward. And that’s because she’s hated for reasons that people won’t openly own (for the record I believe being American and an actress feature here as well as her race).

So the criticisms are often focused on things that are

a) perfectly normal for the royals (spending/public jet taking, hypocrisy)

b) blatantly not true (staff leaving because of her, the Wimbledon shit, breaking ‘protocol’)

c) downright bizarre (bump touching, watching her friend play tennis, not going to balmoral when her husband doesn’t either, holding the baby wrong)

I can see how that would be totally head wrecking. She cannot do right in some people’s eyes, clearly evidenced by being criticised for spending too much AND too little, recycling clothes AND not recycling them, putting herself out there AND hiding away.

It’s totally understandable that she struggles with that, I’d be in bits. Equally being called fat all the time would be soul destroying too.

Prince William lecturing on climate change with David Attenborough.

Let's no pretend he, and his family, are any better than Harry and Meghan when it comes to private jet travel and lectures because they're not.

All this does is exemplify what H&M are doing so wrong. Here, William is using his profile to bring a genuine expert into the debate. He's not spouting his own opinions.

“ You said further up the thread that no member of the RF had ever received the same treatment as Meghan.”

They haven’t. The press always vile. But if you genuinely think that any other member of the RF has received the same level of vitriol that Meghan has, then you’re doing some very selective reading.

Fergie was not only criticised and slandered for being fat! That was just one of the most prominent insults directed at her.

People seem to almost want to see something extra sinister about the negative treatment M receives, and ironically dismiss and trivialise all the crap others went through.

Again, it is frequently overlooked that M receives a great deal of fandom, as well as positive press, has support from influential people and is generally hailed as a beauty, which depressingly still matters quite a lot of ordinary women, never mind Royal ones.

The appropriateness of this interview is quickly overlooked. We'll hear, well what do they do that's different...???? Well here is a perfect example. You have privilege on numerous levels, you have just toured a country on taxpayer funds and been exposed to severe deprivation and the amazing spirit of people working hard to do positive things with a great deal less than you have...but you think it wise to do an interview talking about how difficult you have it?!

Tell me which Royal has done this during or just after a royal tour?

Although mind you it may have the intended effect. Perhaps her new PR team are right.

There seem to be all the usual Meghan's PR people on this thread. Same 3-4 posters with a history of posting million positive comments and defending H&M on every single thread that mentions them. And then calling other posters obsessive and overinvested

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And yes kate did get it as bad -
Her family -mums job as an air hostess, uncle Gary and his drugs, janes and his business ventures and girlfriends. "Waity Katy", work shy, too thin, does own makeup, topless photos. How is it any different to what press Meghan gets?”
Well one difference is that all that is true. I’m not saying that it was acceptable press coverage, of course it wasn’t. But it wasn’t made up.

Here, William is using his profile to bring a genuine expert into the debate. He's not spouting his own opinions.

Which was what Harry was doing when he made his 2 children comment while interviewing Jane Goodall, wasn't it?

Quite so, and if this was Meghan's approach that would be good too.

“ Here, William is using his profile to bring a genuine expert into the debate. He's not spouting his own opinions.*
Yep. Absolutely nobody knew what David Attenborough though about the climate emergency before William stepped in......

They want all these strong 'love yourself' messages to be out there, surely the first thing anyone needs to do is develop some resileince and focus on the positives

I think it’s a tough job to develop resilience in at atmosphere where you literally cannot do a thing right.

@mauritius

My thoughts too

Yep. Absolutely nobody knew what David Attenborough though about the climate emergency before William stepped in......

I know you like a scrap Bert but that wasn't my point and you know it.

Just for absolute clarity, I'm saying that William was using his profile to give Sir David Attenborough a further opportunity to share his expert knowledge.

They haven’t.

Ok now you're just being disingenuous for the sake of your argument.

Well one difference is that all that is true

Very interesting. So Waity Katy is all true, despite her relative inexperience, the background of her getting intrusive press calls when trying to work, the fact she had always participated in helping to run the family business etc. But I see that Kate is not a self-avowed feminist icon so some people feel they are more justified in using that against her. It's all so predictable.

Meghan has had the benefit of having a career before she got involved with Harry. What is interesting is that once it got out, even before they were engaged, she had to have security on the set of suits, and dump unhelpful extras from her life like her PR representative and Piers Morgan, who it is reported, was extremely hurt, god bless him, he's still in trauma to this day apparently And as soon as they got serious, she had to forgo her job just, ironically like Kate.

But lets forget all that

Is it more difficult to be criticised for a) things that the press have no right to comment on (which I think most of the Kate/Fergie criticisms fall into) or b) things that are untrue/scapegoating (which I think most of the Meghan criticisms fall into).

I’d find the latter more difficult from a maintaining self esteem POV. Being falsely represented to a public happy to lap it up strikes me as the bigger challenge.

To clarify that further, the press are being very obvious dicks when calling Fergie fat or criticising Carole for working for a living.

Presenting Meghan as beyond the pale for regular royal behaviour or twisting the living shit out of a situation to cast her in a bad light is more devious. And difficult to deal with.

Are you saying that none of the negative coverage of Fergie, Diana, Charles, Kate, et al., was not based on things that are untrue and or scapegoating? Are you really going to assert that?

• that none was

I’m not saying anything definitively, I don’t know all the facts, please note my use of the word ‘most'.

But if you have examples of that what you’re talking about then do share.

Crossposted. Although there is a difference of opinion regarding what is regular royal behaviour. This latest example in the middle of a tour I would argue being just one example of something one has not seen from royals previously.

There seem to be all the usual Meghan's PR people on this thread. Same 3-4 posters with a history of posting million positive comments and defending H&M on every single thread that mentions them.

I’m convinced that a couple of them are paid-per-post by the PR agency. Their posting patterns seem unnatural imo