To feel really sorry for Prince Harry breaking down

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At the awards show. I have been a little skeptical about him recently but my heart really went out to him when I saw the footage.

I have a feeling that having a child has triggered a huge amount of unresolved grief and anxiety. Now he has this dear little boy who is at the mercy of the tabloid press, as is his wife and there is little he can do to protect him.

It's time the press laid off. This is a human being breaking in front of us.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/prince-harry-wellchild-awards-speech-emotional-meghan-pregnant-tears-a9157751.html

So many people seem to have their heads under the sand about some things. It’s like they think the royals can do no wrong. Does everyone really think they care about us.

Being a newly wed to a massively wealthy man who adores you shouldn't be a struggle.

Re the laughing thing. I was once at a colleague's funeral with another colleague.

To my utter horror, she started giggling as the coffin passed up the aisle.

She explained it as a nervous reaction.

To my utter horror, she started giggling as the coffin passed up the aisle. That's a well known reaction.
Harry and Meghan. You need to talk to close family and friends. I'm fearing for you.

I think Harry has leaned in William in the past but that doesn’t seem to be happening now. There doesn’t seem to be a close relationship between the couples which is a real shame.

I agree with the Dianaesque observations. And it isn't the first time.

I do too. I think unconsciously she is seeing parallel between them but really there aren’t many. Diana was a child bridge virtually with no experience of the world or men. Diana was married to a man who didn’t love her. She is much older and wiser and this is her second marriage. She ought to have had some idea of what she was letting herself in for.
Harry is all muddled up and confusing what happened to his mother to his wife. He needs serious therapy.

Child bride!!

Interesting to see comments about lack of closeness / support from William and Kate, but how can anyone know if this is true? I'd find it hard to blame them for taking a big step backwards from this sh**show in public, but what's to say they're not trying to help or advise H&M in private?

Not in a nasty way but Diana should rarely be mentioned now unless relevant yet every time Harry manages to bring her up in conversation, this seems to be only since he met Meghan. Who let's not forget claimed to not know about the royal family upon meeting prince Harry then they uncovered footage of her outside Buckingham palace and driving around with her friend saying she wanted to marry a prince and be a princess!

I'm a bit late to this thread and it's moved on somewhat.... but I say it to Bert and Laurie et al on every thread but always get ignored.

You say that H and M are held to a far higher standard and pulled apart more than any other manner of the RF. which you claim not to understand but hugely hint at racism.

Do you not remember what happened to the Duchess of a York
In the press?????

Would you say that Meghan has had worse than Sarah Ferguson? Has anyone held a poll in a national newspaper asking if the public would rather rather fuck a goat than they would her?

Is she a friend of yours joyfullittlehippo, you are very defensive. Why do you care so much. I mean she’s a very fortunate person.

@joyfullittlehippo lol she is certainly not my beloved Kate. I think we should get rid of them all.

Where did you see the negative press about W & K in Pakistan? Not being sarky I would actually like to read it please

And yes the Neo Nazis plot was horrific. But we're not talking about that here we're talking about negative press. How old were you in the 80s? Fergie got absolutely savaged. Far far worse was written about her than 'breaking protocol' such as wearing jeans/having hair down/holding baby wrong etc

@Samcro these awards are not for the stars to cry over. What an ignorant crass stupid thing to say.

These awards are for the children suffering and for the amazing people who look after them.

My son won an award at this very event a year before he died from a brain tumour. This evening was one of the most amazing nights during the most horrific time. He got chosen to sit next to Prince Harry at the dinner and I sat with him too. The work that Prince Harry does behind the scenes, that is not photographed or filmed or reported on is truly amazing. If you had seen him with all the children in private you would have nothing but praise. He doesn't just get up on stage and say a few words/shed a tear. He spends time with each child away from the cameras. He spent time with my son and was incredible. He sat at that dinner and shed a tear for every child that was up for an award.

For the children themselves going through a fucking awful time and some if them, my son included, knowing they were not going to survive, this night was a brief moment of happiness. He got to meet some stars of films he loved. And yes those stars cried with my son when they knew his story. For fucks sake they are human too. They each gave of their time to make a few kids lives a little brighter.

These nights might look glossy to those lucky enough just to be able to watch from afar and you can be cynical. For those actually involved, those with a terminally ill child they are special moments to treasure in the sea of shittiness that watching your child die from cancer really is.

So fuck off with your 'it's for the stars to cry over' - you couldn't be further from the truth.

 @minmooch and well said.

Harry has been attending these awards for years. Are people really so hard of thinking that they think he'd laugh?

@minmooch That was a really powerful post. Thank you. I don't think Harry is entitled or selfish. I really admire what he tries to do and I think he genuinely cares. I am so very sorry for what you have been through.

The problem is with their PR and some mistakes they've made in the way they go about things. I don't think Harry looks happy when he's with Meghan - he looks haunted and tense. There's a big disparity between how he appears when he's not with her and what he's like when she's there. I think her own personal issues and struggles are really affecting him and he's very worried and feels powerless and unsupported in trying to help. This is bringing back old stuff with regard to his mother .

I don't think for a moment he would laugh at that event. I think the struggles and pain of those children and their families really affects him and because he's fragile at the moment he's struggling to hold it together.

Those who bring up the Nazi costume etc - I wonder if they have never done anything silly and ill advised when they were young? It's a long time ago. He has admitted himself he was troubled and needed help.

He does a lot to help others from the position he's in. Give him a break, and those who are damning him and ascribing the worst motives , have a look at yourselves and your own lives. No one is perfect. I think they both need a new PR team, and I think Meghan needs a lot of therapy to come to terms with her dysfunctional family and her new role. Complaining and taking on a victim role for either of them will not do them any favours . For all their difficulties, they are very very privileged people.

And yes, the treatment of Fergie was far worse.

For the last time Kate has had her shit. I am not saying Meghan hasn't received more, or that it's directly comparable, but she is the new girl on the block. When Kate was the new girl on the block, attention was focused on her and nothing good was said save some positivity about her clothing. I remember before she married W some posters on MN saying W could certainly do better.

And since we're comparing, I too maintain that no RF member has had a harder time or received more vitriol from the press than Fergie. No one. Although god knows she made some stupid decisions under the pressure. And it's important to remember that social media wasn't a thing at the time either, so voices of support were thin on the ground. No 4 + million followers fan gushing on instagram, Twitter or elsewhere with words such as: 'Omg! You are so amazing and kind and the N0.1. best person in the whole world!' as a particularly preposterous example of M worship I have seen on H&M's Instagram (one has to imagine that person has no RL relatives or friends). Fergie also never received myriads of celebrities demanding she be left alone, or calling her 'My Princess' or making public addresses of support on Television for her. I don't recall friends of Fergie talking to journalists about how sweet she is and how tasteful her tableware is.

Worth also pointing out that the vilification of Fergie did not end with her divorce and neither did her suffering. She was still mocked for her weight and her financial woes, often snubbed from events her daughters attended and I read once that she often spent Christmas day lonely without her girls, because they spent it with the Queen. Every Christmas. Notice how positive she tries to be about it in this article. Not a shred of self pity.

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2018111064418/sarah-ferguson-opens-up-spending-christmas-apart-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-22-years/

Fergie's path back to grace amidst the various screwups has been hard worked for, she never had half the PR help and resources H&M have. She has also, always done charity work without loads of fanfare. That is why a lot of people now have a grudging respect for her.

I really cannot see the justification for M complaining about how hard things are considering all the shit that Diana had been through already by the time William was born, including allegedly being told by Camilla De'ville that she should suck up the fact that Charles and her were fucking and not expect the love of her own husband in addition to that of everyone else.

There is also a large amount of attentional bias at work here. M receives plenty of positive gushing press from American publications, tons of women and fashion/celeb magazines and particularly online via blogs etc. On Instagram in addition to the formal Instagram account, there are also plenty of unofficial fan made M luvvy accounts.

@Catherine totally agree. I think a lot of posters on here are too young to remember it, but I remember it well.

I remember it well too. It was horrible. That makes a difference to the vilification of Meghan exactly how?

The press tried to take Kate apart too, there was a lot of horrible press about her family , sneering at her mother and going on about her Uncle Gary. She rose above it and just cracked on. She's earned her status. Yes, she may be uncontroversial and seemingly a bit dull at times, but that's her role.