AIBU to think if all the worse predictions about a no deal Brexit come true, leading Brexiteers will think it's hilarious?

[KennDodd]

Can't help feeling it's just a massive joke for them. If the auto industry packs up and moves it's no skin off their nose. Enormous disruption at Dover, or in Scotland makes for great dinner party antidotes about the chaos they caused. Dominic Rabb just said it's all really exciting, we know Dominic Cummings has said they're loving this. It just seems like a huge laugh for them.

I don't think they'll be laughing, no.

I hope they fucking suffer.
If it wasn't for the need to protect GFA, I was say "bring it on, you should get everything coming to you". But I won't because I can't give up on GFA.

They won't suffer though will they? Whatever happens to the country, even if it splits into four, they'll be fine.

Does anybody really think Jacob Rees Mogg gives a shit what happens to auto workers in Sunderland'? Or if we sell the NHS?

Yes, they willbe laughing all the way to the bank. Many of them have already banked hundreds of millions betting against the pound.

I agree @KennDodd

It all seems like a bit laugh & who cares if the plebs get fucked over

JRM wants the NHS sold off to private companies, that’s one of the sectors his personal money is invested in plus his Somerset wealth management company that invests his rich friends money for them.

He gives a shit because he’s wants more money. He wants to be like an eighteenth century robber baron.

If it does all go tits up I don't think the public will blame them either (I will) if you look at the 'who will you blame' polls, they're not at the top of the list. Farage has even said he'll just leave the country. I don't think he gives a shit about the consequences for those who can't leave. It seems to me he thinks it'll be funny.

JRM wants the NHS sold off to private companies

Really? Just googled and this newspaper article from July suggests the opposite;

"Jacob Rees-Mogg says the NHS should take control of social care"

"it is the role of the state to save and shelter us"

"The cost of long-term social care is more than all but the super-rich can easily afford, and the risk of it falls indiscriminately."

"It is also a continuation of the NHS principle of care free at the point of use"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7209003/Boris-ally-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-says-NHS-control-social-care.html

Really? Just googled and this newspaper article from July suggests the opposite

What he says and what he wants can be two different things.

What he says and what he wants can be two different things.

Fine - but where is your evidence that JRM wants to sell off the NHS to private companies?

Clavinova

I was merely pointing out that just because someone says something it doesn't make it true, especially so when it comes to politicians.

I was merely pointing out that just because someone says something it doesn't make it true, especially so when it comes to politicians.

True - but it's quite a leap to suggest that JRM wants to sell off the NHS without anything to back it up.

I don't know about JRM veiws on the NHS but I know Farage has said we should move towards an insurance based system, entirely coincidentally his friend and Brexit funder Aaron Banks own an insurance company. Banks is another one who always looks to be laughing at the mess we're in.

Whilst i wouldn't trust any Tory with the NHS, the current mess the country is in, is of our own making, if the polls showed clear support for remain and Labour/LD, Johnson's policies would reflect this, as they want to be reelected.

Agree completely that we are just amusement to these people, they are completely removed from our lives and view us as scum.

I agree too, it makes me very angry that they just think we are pawns to be played with.

The statements you saw are not literally exclusive of selling the NHS off to private companies. They are designed to suggest otherwise but with ruling it out:

"Jacob Rees-Mogg says the NHS should take control of social care"

"it is the role of the state to save and shelter us"

"The cost of long-term social care is more than all but the super-rich can easily afford, and the risk of it falls indiscriminately."

"It is also a continuation of the NHS principle of care free at the point of use"

How is that? Well, when you want to privatize something for the greatest gain (to your own multimillion “emerging markets” fund), then you first bundle together as much government functions as possible before selling it off. Think about it, you have Bupa in the U.K. as one of the largest private healthcare companies. What are their core business offerings? Health care and elderly/social care. He can sell off two birds at once if he is behind getting them combined first.

If you want to see the stuff that backs up what I think...don’t look at newspapers articles. Everything he says is marketing, advertisement and not even bound by truth in advertising laws because politicians are exempt. Look at his ERG white papers he’s submitted to the PMs and Parliament. That’s where you can see that he has listed NHS + social care as fantastic trade opportunities with the US post Brexit. And, both Trump and the US trade delegation have listed buying up NHS functions as a mandatory must have to any trade deal.

I am a cynic though....(disclaimer)

*without ruling it out....sorry typo

Well, when you want to privatize something for the greatest gain (to your own multimillion “emerging markets” fund), then you first bundle together as much government functions as possible before selling it off.

An "emerging markets" fund generally invests in developing markets such Brazil and Indonesia, not UK/US.

Look at his ERG white papers he’s submitted to the PMs and Parliament.That’s where you can see that he has listed NHS + social care as fantastic trade opportunities with the US post Brexit.

Do you have a particular white paper in mind?

An "emerging markets" fund generally invests in developing markets such Brazil and Indonesia, not UK/US.

And your point is?..... you do know that the U.K. economy is pretty much on track to be an emerging market post Brexit? Usually developing countries are economically an emerging market, but when massive changes happen to a developed country, it can create emerging markets within that country.

“The UK is like an emerging market now. Their balance of payments is terrible; their government debt is terrible; their fiscal debt is terrible,” said Mr Mobius, who spent most of his career working for the US asset manager Franklin Templeton.”

www.ft.com/content/ede38978-505f-11e9-b401-8d9ef1626294

And
“Brexit has turned UK into an emerging market environment, analyst says
6:29 AM ET Wed, 25 Sept 2019
Martina Bozadzhieva, managing director and head of research at DuckerFrontier, discusses geopolitical uncertainty and her outlook for the economy.”

www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/25/brexit-has-turned-uk-into-an-emerging-market-environment-analyst-says.html

White papers. Lots of breadcrumbs if you know what to look for. Here is just one example.
“A Clean Managed Brexit” by Steve Baker, Deputy Chairman of ERG published 4 Jun 2019. It states on p8 an innocent wolf in sheep’s clothing:
“The UK should immediately indicate its desire to be one of the first new accession countries of the CPTPP.”

CPTPP is code for sell the NHS to include companies able to sue the U.K. for lost profits if excluded from providing any service which includes....healthcare....even if those services are government provided not privatized.

But don’t take my word for it...see what the British Medical Association wrote on 26 Oct 2018, in their letter to the Trade Minister titled “Consultation on the UK potentially seeking accession to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).”
On p3
“Inclusion of healthcare services
An essential protection for the healthcare sector is a hard ‘carve out’ on the provision of healthcare services, particularly the NHS. Allowing sections of the NHS to be outsourced to private companies based abroad would contribute to the worrying increase in publicly-funded care being delivered by the independent sector.
We are aware that CPTPP is similar in many respects to the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership) agreement between the EU and United States. During the TTIP negotiations, risks to the NHS were recognised and health and public health services were eventually excluded from the scope of the agreement (1). The UK will not be able to negotiate any additional ‘carve-out’ for healthcare services if it joins CPTPP. The Government must therefore undertake further analysis and provide binding assurances as to whether the provision of healthcare services can be excluded under CPTPP as it is currently drafted (2). We do not believe that the NHS is adequately protected under CPTPP.
To protect the UK’s right to regulate its own public services, the healthcare sector should also be exempt from rules on competition that could lock in competitive procurement of publicly funded healthcare services in England or extend it to the devolved nations. This approach is market-driven rather than health-driven and contributes to fragmentation of services. This creates significant barriers to innovative and cooperative models of care that can help improve the health of the country. As above, the UK Government would need to assess whether publicly provide healthcare services can be exempt from competition legislation under CPTPP.
Investor protection and dispute resolution mechanisms
We are aware the CPTPP contains an ISDS (investor-state dispute settlement), which the UK would be party to if it joined the agreement. These mechanisms are frequently used to challenge health and environmental protection measures in areas such as food safety and tobacco control, if investors believe their profits will be negatively impacted (2). They could also be used to block development of new models of care by preventing future rollback of privatisation in the English NHS.
We recognise that CPTPP’s ISDS has attempted to mitigate some of these issues but do not believe it affords sufficient protection of the right to regulate to protect and promote health (2). At a minimum, we believe that policies aimed at improving health should be excluded from the scope of any ISDS mechanism to which the UK is subject. The UK Government should also secure legally binding assurances from its trade partners explicitly affirming the right to restrict trade in the interest of public health and the healthcare sector.”

Never mind Rees-Mogg, I live in the NE and I don't give a toss about Nissan workers in Sunderland.

The voters of Albania-on-Wear voted leave, so it looks like those particular turkeys will get the Christmas they voted for.

Oh dear, what a pity, never mind.

@DoctorAllcome
Do you have a link?

DoctorAllcome

(An "emerging markets" fund generally invests in developing markets such Brazil and Indonesia, not UK/US.)

And your point is?

My point is that the UK is not an "emerging market" - even if two American-born observers find some similarities.

An emerging market economy (EME) is defined as; "an economy with low to middle per capita income. It is a nation whose economy mimics that of a developed nation but does not fully meet the requirements to be classified as one."

"Their balance of payments is terrible; their government debt is terrible; their fiscal debt is terrible,” said Mr Mobius

We can't be doing that badly -

"Britain’s contribution to the EU has shot up by £2.6 billion in the past 12 months, new Treasury figures show, as the UK’s growing economy was used to prop up Brussels’ budget."

"An “eye-popping” £15.5 billion was sent across the Channel in the year ending March 31, compared with £12.9 billion the year before-an increase of 20 per cent."

"The extra money would be enough to put 50,000 more police officers on the streets or fund 81,000 social care beds."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/19/britains-contribution-eu-rises-20-per-cent-year-uks-booming/

Funny you should link to Mark Mobius - he has a lot to say - which Mark Mobius quote do you like best?

"If the U.K.says: ‘Look, we are free trade.Everybody can come into our country, everybody can trade free of problems,’ then (Brexit) is going to be terrific"

"Meet Mark Mobius: Fearless investor who’s scared of Corbyn-style ‘communism.’

www.standard.co.uk/business/meet-mark-mobius-fearless-investor-who-s-scared-of-corbynstyle-communism-a4110486.html

"Mark Mobius and Crispin Odey have joined a small group of City figures who want to see Boris Johnson as UK prime minister."

"Mobius, the renowned emerging markets investor told Financial News:“He (Boris Johnson) is very good at connecting with people and putting a humorous colour to difficult environments"

CPTPP is code for sell the NHS
"But don’t take my word for it...see what the British Medical Association wrote on 26 Oct 2018, in their letter to the Trade Minister titled “Consultation on the UK potentially seeking accession to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)."

The summary of that consultation was published on 18th July;

"Some respondents, largely associated with civil society and campaign groups, expressed concerns around the potential impact of Free Trade Agreements on the NHS.The International Trade Secretary has consistently made it clear that the NHS will not be privatised, and any future trade agreements will not change that."

www.gov.uk/government/news/summaries-of-consultations-on-future-ftas-published

Look at his (JRM) ERG white papers he’s submitted to the PMs and Parliament.That’s where you can see that he has listed NHS + social care as fantastic trade opportunities with the US post Brexit.

If you link to the relevant white paper - I will.