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To think this woman needs to return to the UK?

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Hazza000 · 12/10/2019 10:38

What do you all think of the case of the American woman claiming diplomatic immunity for running down and killing that young man Harry Dunn accidentally? She has now fled the uk claiming diplomatic immunity and left a devastated family behind facing a fight for justice?

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/10/2019 12:59

She should never have left. Yes she will have to live with this but she was driving dangerously

Poor excuse that she is a mother herself and feared being away from her children

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 12/10/2019 13:01

@burnoutbabe - have a look at that website I posted.

They agree to do it because it is high status, high skill work, which they have the requisite skills, knowledge and enjoyment of, with associated high pay. Typically in the older days at least, the diplomats usually had some sort of regard for the country they were assigned to. The danger was that they might 'go native'.

They can't not waive diplomatic immunity without serious consequences for the principles of equality before the law. Someone died. It is not a trivial matter. Are you seriously defending the idea that someone should be free to murder and face no consequences?

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:01

If they waive diplomatic immunity for this, why would anyone agree to be a diplomat and take the risk of being charged with sone charge in a foreign land?
They can't just waive it without serious consequences

This isn't "some foreign land". An exception could be made in this case as the UK has done in the past and as the US has demanded in the past in similar cases. It is US arrogance.

TheCanterburyWhales · 12/10/2019 13:01

Much as I loathe the air Trump breathes, it has nothing to do with America.
DI is DI. The case I had wasn't American.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 12/10/2019 13:03

Even if the US doesn't waive diplomatic immunity, no reason why she can't be tried in America is there? Then she can go to prison there and not be separated from her family. Except by, you know, the prison walls. Jesus wept, 'we drive on the other side of the road in America' is not a defence against killing someone. I'd like to know how the press are covering it in the US.

ThatMuppetShow · 12/10/2019 13:05

This isn't "some foreign land".

ahem, duh, for a US citizen of course it is!

For some british racists people, some countries are more "foreign" than others Hmm, but unless we suddenly became an American state, we do happen to be a foreign country.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:05

it has nothing to do with America.
DI is DI. The case I had wasn't American.
Incorrect. Some countries, notably the UK are open to waive DI in exceptional circumstances. The USA never does. US arrogance.

ThatMuppetShow · 12/10/2019 13:06

Jesus wept, 'we drive on the other side of the road in America' is not a defence against killing someone.

It's not, but it's the defence used by many brits doing exactly that in mainland Europe.

merrymouse · 12/10/2019 13:07

She's not been convicted of anything yet far less is sentencing being described. What matters is that someone has been killed and in any right-thinking society that requires a full and proper examination which should include the alleged responsible party being directly involved.

Exactly. Somebody has died. It's not up to Trump or people on social media to judge her guilty or otherwise We have a legal process and that should be followed.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:07

For some british racists people, some countries are more "foreign" than others hmm, but unless we suddenly became an American state, we do happen to be a foreign country.
Yeah, nice work, call me a racist and ignore the substantive point.
We waive DI sometimes - the US never does.

badgermushrooms · 12/10/2019 13:08

I once followed a hire car on the wrong side of the road for half a mile. Fair enough it was probably a genuine mistake but also I was honking and flashing my lights that whole distance and they were so relaxed and confident that it apparently never occurred to them to wonder why. They were bloody lucky that the car coming the other way which snapped them out of it (after several seconds of confusion) happened to be on a long straight bit of road and not a blind bend.

People go to prison for killing other people by accident if it is determined that they could have avoided that accident by being careful, and it's therefore determined that there should be consequences for that. Should she have been trying harder not to kill someone with her fucking vehicle or was it a genuine blameless error? I think that's for a court to decide, not her husband's employers.

Sewbean · 12/10/2019 13:09

I hope her guilt eats her alive

I'm sure it will. She can't escape that punishment.

She can't escape the fact that her family and friends and neighbours and colleagues will know what she has done, or the fact that her children witnessed the accident and will have to live with those consequences, no doubt her kids' school friends will all know about it too.

She killed someone by accident. She didn't mean to. I think that's a dreadful thing to have to live with. Her life is ruined too. What's the point of sending her to jail?

If I was Harry's family though I would want to know she was sorry. I would want to know she was broken too. That would make me feel better. Is that mean and uncharitable? Probably, but there you go.

If I thought she was swanning round Embassy parties without a care in the world that would kill me.

clickymad · 12/10/2019 13:13

Every diplomat from every country has the same priviledges. Its hardly just an american thing

This. And this thread is bringing out the same anti American assholes that start shrieking on any thread to do with America. Hmm

ThatMuppetShow · 12/10/2019 13:14

familycourtq
That comment was racist.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:15

This. And this thread is bringing out the same anti American assholes that start shrieking on any thread to do with America. hmm
OK, when America behaves the same as we do, I'll stop shrieking. This is bad.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:15

familycourtq
That comment was racist.
What comment? WTAF?

Rosehip10 · 12/10/2019 13:16

No-way is the women ever going to come back to the UK - it is awful for the family but they are going to get no joy in USA.

ThatMuppetShow · 12/10/2019 13:17

I think that's for a court to decide, not her husband's employers.

the husband employers are not making any comment whatsoever on the case, it's about diplomatic immunity. Our own diplomats have the same and use it accordingly, as they should!

Let's not pretend our own royal family would get the same treatment here as any of us either...

clickymad · 12/10/2019 13:18

OK, when America behaves the same as we do, I'll stop shrieking. This is bad.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the shit show that is the UK in the last few years?! You're hardly covering yourselves in glory right now.

merrymouse · 12/10/2019 13:19

Every diplomat from every country has the same priviledges. Its hardly just an american thing

Diplomatic immunity can be waived, which is why the PM has asked the US to waive immunity in this case.

ThatMuppetShow · 12/10/2019 13:20

familycourtq

foreign country - any state of which one is not a citizen

The UK is just as much a foreign country as are Kenya, Korea or Pakistan.

Stating that one country is less foreign than another is just racist. 🤷

merrymouse · 12/10/2019 13:20

She killed someone by accident. She didn't mean to. I think that's a dreadful thing to have to live with. Her life is ruined too. What's the point of sending her to jail?

That is for a judge to decide.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:21

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the shit show that is the UK in the last few years?! You're hardly covering yourselves in glory right now.
I am talking about in relation to diplomatic immunity.
I know it would be hard to argue we (UK) are shit at almost everything at present but we, unlike the US, do waive DI in exceptional cases.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 13:22

Stating that one country is less foreign than another is just racist.
I didn't say that.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/10/2019 13:24

There are many people in prison who have committed a crime that wasn’t intentional

That should be considered in the sentencing

They should still have to go through the legal process

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