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To Finally Stick To Boundaries With My Mum

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poppycity · 03/10/2019 06:29

I need help. I'm just turning 40 and it's the first birthday where I've really looked at my life and realized there's things I'm painfully tired of, not wanting another decade to pass with the same hardships of the last 1/2 decades. There's lots of things I hope go better this decade (finances, one of my children's health) but the thing that grates me is my relationship with my Mum.

My Mum has never been easy, the things she said to me as a child I've come to see as an adult were terribly abusive. I was always in trouble for the smallest thing like a book out of place would result in her throwing out all my books or burning them. She would routinely tell me I ruined her life and it would have been better had I died at birth like her brother's baby, then say it's too bad we didn't swap. A small infraction like forgetting to double lock the back gate would result in hours of screaming, name calling etc. she would do this in front of anyone, neighbours, friends and family never seeing they thought she was unreasonable, not me.

What was most confusing as a child was there would be days/weeks like this, followed by good days. You'd just long for the good days and in some ways not hold her responsible for the bad days, knowing there was definitely something wrong. I knew this at a young age. Obviously as a child you can't really hold a parent responsible. But it was confusing. She could be loving and warm, offering good advice and being supportive, followed rapidly by wickedly cruel. Shame was her favourite tactic she would tell people I burned all my books and maybe there was something wrong with me. I didn't. I cried for weeks over those books.

As an adult much of this has continued but in some ways as she's getting older the bad days are more common. On the bad days she criticizes my parenting, throws out things that are important to me, shouts, name calls, says awful things about my DC typically phoning me to tell me just what she thinks of them. A recent example of this was her anger I didn't clean my freezer in the last month, followed soon after by anger my DC's forgot to wipe down the sink after using the loo at her place. No water is allowed to be used without wiping the sink/faucet after. It spiralled from there to telling me I always need rescuing, I'm weak and useless, no reasonable man would stay married to me, my children are filthy animals who are uncouth - this was said on the phone to me, she phoned 5x this evening saying the same kind of thing in different ways. This will likely go on for a few days, then she will be nice and maybe if I mention it as not okay, she will say something like if only I would learn how to be a civilized person she wouldn't constantly need to teach me right from wrong. I am turning 40 as mentioned, I have a profession, degree, two jobs, support my DC fully, my DC do well in school are busy and active with interests and sport, are good kids who their teachers and coaches speak very highly of. Yet all we get is criticism. Thankfully as of yet most of it is on the phone to me, but it's spilling over as my Mum ages and that also makes me need to make changes for my kids if not for me.

I think my biggest issue is I know why my Mum is like this, I understand she had a terrible childhood and I suspect strongly there's mental health factors at play. I do see that I trigger her issues but the smallest thing can do that, I'm always walking on egg shells and something as simple as my having coffee with a cousin can lead to her meltdowns, or leaving one thing out of place in my own home causes her such distress that she turns on me. She is relentless. She wants to hear me say I'm wrong and she's right and I will change.

I am a good daughter, she's now widowed after the death of my lovely Dad (who had a very hard time with her as well), and I pop in at least weekly, I pick up her tablets at the chemist, I take her out for coffee, often bring round meals. I will also do things like repair broken things, mend thing she can't etc. A counsellor once told me when I was seeing her to cope with one of my DC's serious illness that my Mum wants power, control and attention. Those make her feel safe and my attention diverted or my not doing what she wants like not cleaning the freezer out weekly, makes her lose her control and cause these behaviours. She obviously explained how unreasonable it is of her, that she needs other supports and possibly medications, but my Mum won't see anyone, nor speak to her GP, apparently had she had any other child in the world she'd be happy, but for some reason she was punished with me. That's the type of thing she says.

There are days she's loving and supportive, she can be lovely tbh but if I put a foot wrong or anyone in my family needs attention, she goes between being shouty and cruel or disappears. When my DC was diagnosed with a serious illness that will impact life expectancy, my Mum disappeared for weeks. Same when I had major surgery even though I'm a single parent. Not one offer of help, no meals, no asking how we were coping, nothing. Then tells me for months after she's so sick of my needing her to rescue me. I don't. And if I ever bring up how it would have been nice to have her visit, she says I make everything about me and she was very ill at the time and almost died. This is her standard line whenever anyone in our family has been ill or we've dealt with something serious. Apart from one fall she's as fit as a fiddle, always has been, is never ill and certainly doesn't almost die anytime we need support.

I'm exhausted by it all. I'm so exhausted by it. The never doing anything right, the walking on egg shells, the put downs, the name calling. The lies. I understand there are huge factors as to why. Many issues there. But I'm so tired of it all. The highs and lows, the phone calls with her screaming at the end of the line. I feel now my Dad has died she will need extra supports and caregiving and I don't know how to balance that with desperately needing less time with her. When I think about boundaries I want to stop staying at her home overnight (we usually do that 1x a month, something she requested to save us driving 30 minutes home. She suggests we all watch a film but honestly she always makes an excuse and goes to bed then phones me to complain when we leave telling me all the things my DC do wrong). I want to stop visiting at least once a week (I never know what mood she will be in or what I will do wrong, there's always something), stop having her visit my home as the DC find it very stressful and she finds things to pick on (she usually visits 1-2x a month for a day), stop answering the phone to her when she's having one of her episodes. Every Easter we visit extended family and my Mum pays for 4 nights in a cottage. It's always disastrous maybe 2 good days and 2 bad days, so I want to stand my ground and not do it anymore. The 2 bad days this Easter were awful, we were away from home and she's reliant on me for a lift, we were with her family (we rent a cottage near them) and she refused to talk to us for one day because I spent an evening with my cousin and her family instead of my Mum and the other two days did things like stick her tongue out, yell, get angry if I let the DC stay up since it was holiday time, shout at me in a restaurant that she wished she visited 'on my bloody own since this family is shite' . I could go on and on example after example. I have mostly been able to hide this from my DC but as they get older they witness more and their opinion of my Mum is that she's very difficult, unkind, embarrassing and mean, they don't usually want to invite her to anything. There is only so much one can hide.

Boundaries are so hard because I feel bad for her and because she can be lovely, as long as there's nothing triggering her and I don't 'need' attention. As long as the DC are perfect. They miss their grandad and I wish she could be a good grandparent, but she can't. She doesn't know how to connect all she does is quiz them on what they've eaten that day and what marks they have. Then she will yell at me later on the phone for 'messing up parenting, which it was obvious you'd be bad at'. She said that tonight because my child got 19/20 on a test and because they only had stew for dinner. Lovely hearty slow cooker stew I should add with all the food groups (beef, potatoes) and many veg (courgettes, carrots, peas, parsnip, tomatoes) as well as a teacake! They also had biscuits and satsumas at youth group. She shouted and shouted about the stew and how ridiculous I was as a parent and how it's not a proper meal?!

I need to change things. I know I need to see her monthly not weekly, in a neutral place, not invite her to things where she could have a meltdown. We need to have our own holidays (tough due to money, hence trying so hard to make the 4 days at Easter work, if we had money we'd rent out own cottage), I need to think about special days like Christmas from what we do and don't want to deal with, not just that she should be included at all costs, and mostly I need to not feel guilty. She's only a 30 minute drive so it's not too hard to pop in weekly, easy to help her with things like doing her washing which she finds challenging after her fall and take her to see the Consultant. But I'm no longer convinced this does anything but harm my mental health while appeasing my guilt. Just when I decided I can't continue in this way with our relationship she will be nice and I let my guard down and then a few days later the cycle continues.

How do you stick to boundaries even when someone can sometimes be nice? How do you stick to boundaries when you know the issue is their mental health and thus it isn't their fault? How do you do it for you and your DC without feeling like you are failing your parent/loved one? How do you put your own family first? I so want to be able to say my own family comes first, but right now I think I give my Mum too much space in our lives. I see now my Mum will never replace my Dad as a loving grandparent.

Posting late at night as my Mum was horrid on a phone call this evening and I haven't been able to sleep at all. Ridiculous I know. I just want to ring in this Birthday knowing this is the gift I'm giving to myself and my children. I want to start 40 with a commitment this changes now. I'm just scared I'm going to slip back due to guilt. After the last incident she told the children she was taking us all to America. Not only can she not afford that (not even for 1 person), but I'd never accept it and it would be disastrous. She does this after major episodes, like a way back in (not that her grand plans ever happen). I just want to have healthy boundaries where we don't come along for her highs and lows, we aren't in her path of meltdowns. I want to have a peaceful relationship that I don't have to continually recover from. I want to find a way to be kind but not give her enough time, access or knowledge of our lives that she can have this hold over us.

Sorry it's a novel.

OP posts:
Theluggagerules · 03/10/2019 06:56

You already know that you need to stop being her whipping boy, you don't deserve this nor do your children. Perhaps pop over to the Stately homes thread, they would be helpful in how to set and stick to boundaries. Good luck

violetbunny · 03/10/2019 07:03

I recommend the book "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward. Also, apologies if I have missed it in your post, but have you tried counselling? I grew up in an abusive environment and found it very helpful.

Laterthanyouthink · 03/10/2019 07:06

I would gradually withdraw from doing things you don't want to do. Pick the most important thing and do that first over a period of weeks until you are only doing what you can handle. You can put in place things like the chemist delivering prescriptions so you are not doing it all. Then train her, if she phones and is abusive, tell her you won't listen to abuse and hang up. Don't pick up again until she apologises. She won't like it but it will put you in control.

Stressedout10 · 03/10/2019 07:06

You need to go NC immediately

MrsElizabethShelby · 03/10/2019 07:08

You need to stop seeing her full stop. Not just reduce your contact.

It's really really sad but sometimes parents aren't the people we want them to be. They are not always good people.

Change your number and don't let her in the house.

Purplecatshopaholic · 03/10/2019 07:13

It is your call of course and I feel for you. If this was me I would go NC immediately. Life is too short to take this shit.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 03/10/2019 07:13

She is who she is, she’s not going to change. You absolutely need to cut down on contact with her, I would say to nothing, but have it minimal if you must. It’s early October so now is the time to tell her you won’t be seeing her on Christmas Day. Do it for your children if you can’t do it for yourself.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s her fault or not, she’s abusive to you and always has been. You all deserve better.

7yo7yo · 03/10/2019 07:14

Stop seeing her.
She might have mental health problems but she is actually evil.
Cut her of, cut her out, having nothing more to do with her. Otherwise she’ll ruin the rest of your life and the lives of your DC too.

vintagesewingmachine · 03/10/2019 07:14

Not on the same scale as yours but my mother is critical, demanding and exhausting. Nothing I have done in my nearly 45 years has ever been good enough. She talks over me, gaslight me and makes unpleasant comments. A regular comment is " but you only work three days a week" meaning the other four should be spent dancing attendance on her. She is widowed and lonely but over the past couple of years, I have found the only way to preserve my mental health is to be very firm about when I will and won't visit, that my days off work are spent doing things I enjoy or just general household things which need to be done. I saw her 3 days ago but prior to that had not seen her for 2 weeks. I don't ring her every day either. Our relationship now is on my terms, not hers. As my sister rightly says, our mother is reaping what she has sown. My children understand that Grandma was not an easy parent to grow up with and that I am proud of them no matter what as constantly hoping for, but never receiving, a bit of parental praise as a child/ teenager, was soul destroying.

Stampy84 · 03/10/2019 07:18

I’m actually exhausted for you, just reading that.
I’m sorry I don’t have any advice, but may I just say- you sound like a wonderful mother, you really really do. And a very kind person also- I hope you find some peace from your mother, she really doesn’t deserve you

sheshootssheimplores · 03/10/2019 07:19

She won’t let you go NC. When I was furious with my mother she would ring continuously, sent letters, I don’t think she’s going to give you the option of no contact.

Itsreallymehonest · 03/10/2019 07:23

I'm sorry you are going though this poppycity, and I am sorry no one defended you as a child. You sound like an amazing parent and daughter. You know your mum has serious, serious issues and needs a doctor. For your own sake and that of your children it is ultimatum time; she either seeks help or you go NC. She is an adult and you are sick of her crap, it's time she took responsibility for her appalling behaviour. X

Waitingforadulthood · 03/10/2019 07:23

Oh op, it sounds harrowing to have her in your lives. No good day is worth this. No woolly vague "mental health issues" can possibly justify the abuse you are taking and your children, please protect them. You are suffering FOG and need to take control, if not for your sake but for your dc. You are modelling the behaviour they will see as normal- please don't teach them that accepting abuse and cruelty is normal. Their self esteem and wellbeing will be hurt by continuing this relationship with your mother.

I don't believe that onlookers don't judge, and I don't believe anyone thinks of her behaviour as reasonable. I think people keep their own head down to avoid turning her vitriol toward them

Roselilly36 · 03/10/2019 07:24

I could have written your post, your mum sounds just like mine. I am NC and have been for 10+ years, BEST thing I ever did. People that abuse don’t change. It’s a big decision to make and not one that anyone would make without good reason. The big turning point to me was becoming a mum myself and knowing I wouldn’t dream of treating my DS’s like that. Good luck OP, make the right decision for you and your family.

FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 03/10/2019 07:31

You probably don’t realise just how heartbreaking your post is to read. Imagine this was happening to one of your children, what would you say to them? Would you say “keep doing it once a month” or would you say “you don’t have to do this at all”?

I think low contact would be too hard to manage with her. She is too good at pressing your buttons and suckering you back in. I don’t think you would be able to keep it low when she snapped her fingers.

You don’t realise how truly abusive and cruel she is. You long for the good days, but the bad days are who she is. You are describing the abusive relationship that I had with my XH.

That cloud of uncertainty is where they get you to keep coming back.

She is not good for you, she is even worse for your children. Protect all of you and have nothing more to do with her. Four days of an awful holiday is so much worse than no holiday at all.

My heart goes out to you. She truly is awful and you sound so bloody lovely Flowers

MrsNotNice · 03/10/2019 07:32

My heart goes out to you OP, I’m in a very similar dilemma. I wish I knew what to advise.

Please feel free to contribute/join this thread so you don’t feel alone.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3675039-To-not-want-to-be-the-nice-one-anymore

Windydaysuponus · 03/10/2019 07:36

Nc is amazing. Told dm I would seek legal advice if she kept contacting me /dc. Been 19 years of bliss.
Do it op. For your mh and for your dc.

MrsNotNice · 03/10/2019 07:38

I would give my mother the option to go to family therapy or individual therapy if she wanted to have any contact with my family, and perhaps would go distant and make no commitments and let her know I will only visit her when she is being kind and and that when she isn’t the visits will be cut short. Phone calls cut short and her informed the calls will end when she is on a rant mission. I can’t find the emotional strength to go NC but I would definately be laying boundaries with immediate consequences at least. And help her resolve her issues through healthy means by scheduling her some therapy.

It will only get worse with age OP. Get therapy yourself for boundaries I’m pursuing that too.

officecat · 03/10/2019 07:38

There is no other choice but NC. I also grew up with a very abusive mother, I have suffered my whole life as a consequence. These women use their 'status' to guilt us and manipulate us. I went NC when I was 30 (44 now) and I have never looked back. This has also been my healing time. My mother is a narcissist and I have suffered so badly with low self-esteem and anxiety. Everything I did, every stupid choice I made (terribly abusive men) stemmed from a need to be valued by someone.

I have now taken back the control, it took a long time, but I am now content. I still struggle sometimes (saying sorry 50 times a day 😁) but I am more confident and I getting to know my worth.

You must stop seeing her 🌺🌺

Snog · 03/10/2019 07:39

Parents like this are exhausting and bad for your mental health. Going very low contact will be very beneficial for you OP I am sure. I went no contact with my mother for 2 years and now see her perhaps once a month or less.

I still like the idea of seeing her more but not the reality.

ToweringInferno · 03/10/2019 07:48

I want to have a peaceful relationship

This is never going to happen, your Mother is toxic.

I'm so sorry that your Mother was a child abuser and continues to abuse you and your children to this day.

I agree with PP that you are deep in FOG - the only healthy boundary is going completely NC and therapy will help you achieve peace.

You ave no obligations to such an evil woman - she gave you no care as a child, quote the opposite - the 'good days' are just as abusive as the bad tbh as it kept you under control.

Would you even consider maintaining a relationship with some if someone who you treated you this way if they were not related to you?

So what if she ends up with no-one, she will only be reaping what she sows.
However, this probably won't happen, she'll find support from elsewhere, I'd bet my bottom dollar on it.

Get yourself over to Stately Homes, buy "Toxic Parents". I think you also will need to steel yourself to the fact that your Dad enabled this abuse as well.

Spend all the time, money, emotional and mental energy that you've been wasting on this woman on a therapist who has a lot of experience in narcissistic relationships.

TheMustressMhor · 03/10/2019 07:50

Just don't answer your phone!

Your DC are going to be badly affected by this. They already are being badly affected by this. Probably they're not telling you because they can see how upset your mother makes you.

Seriously, why are you staying in any sort of contact with her? Please, make the decision when you reach 40 that enough is enough. She will start on your DC if she hasn't done so already.

Do you want your DC to have the childhood you had?

Totalwasteofpaper · 03/10/2019 07:51

You have amazing insight into your situation, which is a huge first step.

she really is horrendous and the whole I had a bad childhood thing is a red herring, loads of people had bad childhoods and don’t behave like this.

As per other posters I recommend reading toxic parents and going NC the damage she’ll be doing to your children is unreal

verytiredandstressed · 03/10/2019 07:55

You do know it's a control thing for her she wants to control you and everyone That's why she offers to pay for these trips .
I say this as I have a parent who I am eventually nc with and is quite similar to your mum but you will need to gradually back away from her . Stop doing things to appease her nothing pleases her so stop .
Stop answering the phone when she's abusive, ignore block if you have to and stop letting your dc be witness to this disgusting behaviour.
Be strong you've done the first step realise she's abusive .
She will never ever realise she's in the wrong so time to cut contact , you don't deserve this .

jamdhanihash · 03/10/2019 07:57

Come to stately homes! Why continue to try and manage a relationship with this unmanageable person? You owe her nothing.

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