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What's best for the planet - getting rid of dog poo?

94 replies

loveyouradvice · 27/09/2019 13:17

Hi

Just that really

Do I dump it in bin in its biodegradable bag, but then it goes into landfill?

Flush it down the loo - and then I waste water?

Put into council food/garden waste bin - or is it not eligible?

Include in our own garden compost bin - but that doesn't feel right...

Or????

I live in town - I know country folk just leave out in the wild to biodegrade alongside everything else but not really an option in town!

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FreshFreesias · 27/09/2019 15:27

I agree. It must be the plastic that is the worst of all.

justanothernameonthewall · 27/09/2019 15:28

Biodegradable bag and bin when out, shovel/ toilet when home (my friend does this, I don't as I can't cope with the thought of dog poo in my toilet 🥺)

Biodegradable bag and poo don't really matter in landfill I'd imagine as it would just decompose.

Fuma · 27/09/2019 15:29

No, the shit is a problem as well. Please don't stick n flick.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 27/09/2019 15:36

I never know the best answer to this. As a dog and cat owner (both rescue) I am trying my best.

Frustrating to hear on internet forums often how terrible stick and flick is, yet my local forestry commission advocates for that method.

I've gone for biodegradable bags and bin. I suspect a lot of our landfill goes to incineration anyway, in fact I've been meaning to find out.

Fuma · 27/09/2019 15:41

Yes I think national trust advises stick n flick too. It's awful. Just because you've shoved it under a hedge doesn't mean it disappears! It affects creatures that are actually part of the environment and have a natural habitat there, unlike a pet. It is really really harmful to ground nesting birds for example, and it stays in the soil for a long time. Plus of course eventually everything you put on the ground makes its way into the water table. I do wish that the advice would change.

MissTicPizza · 27/09/2019 15:47

Interesting response on this matter from South West Water quoted here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dogmesss_sww

Itsallpetetong · 27/09/2019 15:49

Please do not flush it down the toilet! A quick google gave

I emailed the environmental health agency about this, and they told me to contact Thames Water. Here is the reply that they gave to my enquiry as to whether it is safe to flush dog faeces down the human toilet:

Our sewers and sewage treatment procedures are designed for human waste only. Animal waste decays differently to human waste. The conveyance of dog waste in the sewers, might not cause any damage to the fabric of the system, but for public health reasons we must ask you not to use our sewers for this purpose.

We know that dogs suffering from intestinal worms, transmit the eggs in their faeces. The eggs can survive sewage treatment and remain harmful to humans. Therefore, as a matter of policy, we don’t allow the disposal of dog or any animal waste into our sewerage system.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 27/09/2019 15:52

Doesn’t sound like there is an environmentally good way to dispose of it.

One of the reasons I don’t have a dog.

HeartvsHead · 27/09/2019 15:54

National Trust recommend flicking dog poo into the undergrowth if out and about so astonished use as little plastic as possible.

In the garden I use biodegradable bags but put as much into each as possible rather than one poo per bag ro reduce how many bags I use. I have a little metal shovel I use to pick it up.

HeartvsHead · 27/09/2019 15:55

*as to use not astonished!

Fuma · 27/09/2019 16:02

@DobbyTheHouseElk there really isn't. Composting is tricky (need correct temperature and to control the many pathogens) with limited utility (you can't use it on anything you'd eat), biodegradable bags actually take ages to degrade and the high temperature/methane resulting is harmful, obviously just leaving it on the floor even under a bush is rank ... seriously, reinforced paper bags is the least worst method.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/09/2019 16:06

The amount of dog-shit in landfill pales to insignificance beside the amount of disposable nappies. I shouldn't worry about putting bags of dog-shit into the dustbin, on the whole; it's not going to be that big a problem by comparison.

Just please please please don't hang them on the bushes or in trees. I have never understood why anyone does that.

Xenia · 27/09/2019 16:08

Kill the dog? (Sorry I hate them. I will get off the thread....)

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 27/09/2019 16:09

Please do Hmm

Fuma · 27/09/2019 16:13

I'd say it's similar to disposable nappies. There are close to nine million dogs in the UK alone, all shitting every day. Nappies are used to contain waste produced by humans during the period of their lives when they have no continence control. Poop bags are similarly used by humans to contain waste produced by an animal they've chosen to own for the purpose of individual benefit.

steppemum · 27/09/2019 16:14

I have a biggish garden with a thick row of shrubs on one side. Anything in the garden I shovel and put it at the back of the shrubs. It disappears very quickly.
But he doesn't poo much in the garden, always when out, so it is biobags and bins for us most of the time.
Not the best, but no other option really.

Elphame · 27/09/2019 16:16

Biodegradable bag and poo don't really matter in landfill I'd imagine as it would just decompose

it doesn't. The chemical reactions need oxygen to decompose. The poo will stay there in it's bag for a very very long time.

Stick and Flick is recommended by the Forestry Commission too.

Lunafortheloveogod · 27/09/2019 16:16

There’s “dog toilets” you bury in the garden they use an activator chemical sachet thingy to break it down.. I don’t know the environmental effects of the sachet but none of it goes to landfill and some say you can put biodegradable bags in them, grass was really green around our old one.. have moved now and haven’t found a new spot for it yet with landscaping out the garden for fences/storage.. you definitely don’t want it under a window.

Fuma · 27/09/2019 16:20

Just for info, there are 3.5 million children under five in the UK. Maybe half of those will be in nappies. And over 8.5 million dogs. But it's the nappies in landfill that we're constantly hearing about.

steppemum · 27/09/2019 16:32

Fuma - I take your point. But I think one nappy contain vast amounts of water absorbing gel and plastic etc. One child will go through about 5-6 nappies a day. The size of one nappy is equal to about 10 dog poo bags. A dog uses 2-3 dog bags per day.

So while I agree that it is an issue, and it is somethign we can address, I don't think it is just about numbers of kids v numbers of dogs.

Fuma · 27/09/2019 16:46

I agree and only responded to the dogs v children thing because someone else brought it up. I just think it's maybe it's an issue that we should be looking at instead of berating mothers for dealing with their children's waste given that said waste is a natural expected and developmentally appropriate consequence of human population while dog waste is produced just because people want to have dogs.

And while yes a nappy obviously is larger etc there are three times as many dogs as there are infants in the UK, so I reckon that actually the impact is similar.

FelicityFlutterby · 27/09/2019 16:53

It probably isn't fair to compare babies vs dogs... for many reasons. But I think disposable nappies are a massive issue. It is the gel which makes them worse. Reusables are great these days and I think they have become really mainstream recently.

Dogs will need poo bags their whole lives, so up to what? 15 years? When do babies usually stop needing nappies? Usually somewhere between 2.5 and 4 I think. But seeing as there seems to be no good solution for dog poo and there is a pretty good solution for nappies (reusables without tumbling them), I don't know which is 'worse'.

But, whatever way you look at it, both disposable nappies and dog ownership are luxuries I think we should give serious thought to.

I know someone will say, having babies is a luxury too and that's true. But if I were to forgo ever owning a dog, so that someone could have a baby, that would be an easy sacrifice / no brainer. I know some people GENUINELY value dog lives over human lives, but I am not one of those people.

Overpopulation of humans is such a big issue too, but seeing as people in places where everyone consumes a lot less, a large family uses less than one, single, childless westerner. So, if we all used less, especially giving a bit more thought before we buy loads of stuff we don't need, there would be enough for everyone as it stands. And that includes pet ownership. Like it or not, it's something we will need to think about cutting down on.

We should also curb population growth too btw, as we already have in the UK. We are already at below replacement birth levels here and actually, there are some concerns about this. The other thing to consider is that we are all living very long lives here now, (some people, including my late GM who died aged 94, would say TOO long in some cases).

Sorry, I'm totally waffling here, but this question has made me think!

mencken · 27/09/2019 16:57

looks like a dog toilet in your garden is the way to go - doesn't need much space, and I would hope that anyone with zero outside space doesn't have a dog. (but please don't be like my neighbours and leave the thing out there barking, take it indoors if you are not around)

Bring the poo home and dispose of it there. Carrying bags of poo about is part of the contract you signed when you acquired a (wholly optional) dog.

and yes, infinite numbers of animals that neither work nor provide food may be something we need to think about. Tackling the planet crisis needs rather more than truanting and prancing about with banners on a nice day.

VoleClock · 27/09/2019 16:58

There is an iteresting programme on BBC Iplayer called The Secret Life of Landfilll (or something similar). Methane is taken from landfill sites to produce electricity. So probably etter to go inot a controlled landfill site than intop the soil/sewerage system. And somebody has built an anaerobic digester to produce methane from dog poo which lights a street lamp....

lozster · 27/09/2019 17:11

Grin @fuma are you me? I loathe stick and flick. There’s a numpty in my (semi rural) village who boasts about doing this with 3 dogs he owns! He seems to ignore the gazillions of other dog walkers on well used paths and thinks he’s inhabiting a remote Scottish island. We are also in a county where there is a law compelling dog owners not just to pick up but to carry bags if out with a dog. And this bloke is a copper?! Makes out he is motivated by green credentials but doesn’t take me up on my suggestions to reuse bread bags or other wrapping or even an old sandwich box and a trowel. Grrr