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DP’s stonewalling is destroying me

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 09:07

(Apologies for posting this in AIBU, it gets the most traffic and I’m desperate to speak to someone about this)

Hi,

I’m looking for advice from any of you who have experienced stonewalling in your relationships/marriages, and whether or not you can tell me that there’s some miraculous light at the end of the tunnel for this ‘behaviour’ to correct or reverse itself.

Currently on day 3 of not speaking to DP since he stonewalled me during what should have been an easy going, simple, honest and open conversation on Monday night. What we spoke about isn’t relevant, as he’ll stonewall me over literally anything remotely serious or important, or about us, or about me being upset, angry or annoyed over something.

I opened the conversation as placidly and nicely as possible. It really should have been something that was over and done with and dealt with within 5 minutes, but classic DP reverted to his usual tactics of shutting down, ignoring me, not even looking at me, just staring at his phone and channel flicking and not saying a word in response, acting as though as I wasn't even in the room with him, although he could blatantly hear me becoming more upset thanks to him blanking me. As a result of him doing this (and this happens every time he treats me this way), I grow more irate and start to lose my temper as I fight to be heard and understood, and battle for his attention, so although I start conversations by treading on eggshells and speaking as gingerly as possible, I end up losing sight of the original problem as his stonewalling takes a hold of me and I become incredibly pissed off.

I woke up on Tuesday morning, following nothing been resolved or put to bed, and sent him a message about it. A tactic he claims he finds easier to deal with, though he doesn’t respond to my messages either, and doesn’t bring it up when he gets home, so it’s just another way of him avoiding me and the issues at hand.

I basically reiterated the original issue, and once again, for the thousandth time, told him that the way he treats me during discussions isn’t ok. He ignored my message, came home, nothing was said about it, we spent Tuesday evening in silence and he got up and went to work yesterday, came home, and again, nothing said. I ended up going to him last night and asking him if he was planning on apologising to me and explaining himself, to which he just shook his head, all whilst not looking at me. I asked him if his respect for me is that low, that he truly thinks ignoring me is acceptable, and he told me to ‘leave him alone’ as he was going to bed soon. He’s gone to work this morning without saying goodbye, and I suspect this evening will be a repeat of the last two nights.

DP went for counselling regarding his awful communication problems last year. It was via the NHS therapy for you services, so only a 6 course session, but he claimed it gave him some tools to help him open up, see things from my perspective and not shut down, though evidently it didn’t do a damn thing, as we’re still stuck in the same rut of him ignoring me, the avoidance, belittling me and him manipulating conversations simply by saying nothing at all.

I just don’t know what to do anymore. We’ve been together for 5 years, and for the first few years, I tried so hard to understand that ‘serious’ conversations must just be difficult for him. So as such, I’ve tried all kinds of different avenues to speak to him. I’ve tried the quiet and gentle approach, I’ve tried having screaming matches, I’ve tried writing letters, leaving them for him then taking myself out so he can read about the issue in peace then discuss it calmly when I returned, I’ve tried sending messages while he was at work so he can read them on the train journey home then talk about it later that evening, I’ve tried telling him to go for a walk mid conversation to get some air, then we’ll speak in half an hour, I’ve tried giving him days until I’ve brought it up again. Nothing works. It’s like as long I never voice my opinions, express any concerns, never talk about anything of any importance, then things are completely fine between us. But the moment I try and open up, I’m instantly shut down and it’s breaking my heart because I don’t know what else I can do, or for how much longer I can expect him to act this way before he wakes up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse.

I don’t know if it’s emotional abuse, but I do know that I feel so disrespected, unheard, like my thoughts, opinions, doubts or concerns hold no importance to him, I just feel like I’m not being taken seriously, and frankly like I’m a piece of shit on the bottom of his shoe.

Apart from the stonewalling, he’s generally a good person, and I think that’s why I’ve stuck around so long. But I feel as though I’m reaching my breaking point and that his shitty communication issues are starting to impact my mental health because nothing is ever resolved, and the 1% of times that things are resolved, it's entirely on his terms.

Do chronic stonewallers ever change? Or is it something that’s so deep rooted that they physically can’t change their ways, even if they wanted to?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 26/09/2019 11:09

At the moment, both of you are right fighting. He thinks he’s right. You think you are. There comes a time, when you both need to stop fighting and either reconcile or split.

If you went to him tonight and said. “I am sorry we are having difficulty communicating. I am upset. I think you’re upset. I want to be able to talk.” What would his response be ? You aren’t apologising directly, rather expressing sorrow for the inability of both of you to communicate and owning your part in it.

I really think you would benefit from therapy. This will help you to value yourself within the relationship or give you the impetus to leave. In the meantime, cast iron contraception.

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CharityDingle · 26/09/2019 11:10

Do a search of 'sulking' on mumsnet. You will find lots of similar threads, unfortunately.

OP, you only get one shot at this life. Is that how you want to spend it, placating another adult out of their sulks?

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Dacquoise · 26/09/2019 11:12

Cath2907, that reminds me of my own 'final' conversation. I told him I wanted a divorce etc etc. He never said a word, completely silent and got up and left. Next time I saw him he handed me a letter. Again not a word. It was all about my mother and what an awful person she is. Nothing about the marriage or our issues! Some people just can't express their feelings. I pity him. I would never want to have a relationship with him again though and would run a mile if I met his sort again.

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Bunnybaubles · 26/09/2019 11:12

WHAT IF you left him and found an amazing man who loves you, cares for you and treats you with the attention and respect you deserve?

Isn't that better than WHAT IF you stay with this man and hope one day he will love you, care for you and treat you with the attention and respect you deserve?

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BatshitBertha · 26/09/2019 11:12

What was the 'attempted' discussion about on Monday? What was so difficult for him to discuss?

I'm sorry OP, this is emotional abuse he is controlling and I agree with pp, he's enjoying this, he has complete power and he's living it. He will never never never change and, I'm sorry to say, he will be a terrible father and fuck his kids up if he treats them this way. Please don't have DC with him. Get out now, this is a horrible way to live.

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IggyAce · 26/09/2019 11:14

OP you need to find the strength and stop the What If thinking. He isn’t going to change and if you don’t make a change you are going to have a miserable life.
What’s the housing situation? Rent or mortgage whose name is it in?

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ArgumentativeAardvaark · 26/09/2019 11:14

By the way my 3 year old does this when I am trying to get him dressed and out of the house. Ignores me completely. Eventually I just say “right, I’m off then” and head to the front door. He runs after me and finally engages in the process. Next day it starts again. However he will grow out of it so it’s OK that I turn around and don’t leave him there alone. In your case, keep walking and close the door behind you.

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SallyT43 · 26/09/2019 11:14

Get out, op He is cruel
You deserve so much better.
Please please don't put up with this for a second more

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 11:15

Mummyoflittledragon - it's always me that has to mediate and rectify arguments. He never does, and even if/when I go to him, he still has nothing to say. He either point blank tells me to drop it because he thinks it's 'been dealt with' Hmm or he'll sit there in silence again and I wind up getting upset and apologising to him.

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RONNIETRIX · 26/09/2019 11:18

Get rid ..He is immature

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BrightYellowDaffodil · 26/09/2019 11:19

I know where you’re coming from @LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken. You hope that you’ll be able to help them over whatever happened in the past, that they’ll heal and that cloud won’t hang over your relationship anymore, that if you sit it out a bit longer they’ll see the error of their ways and all this will stop.

It won’t happen.

I can also understand the paralysis that comes in that fear and inability to leave. I’d really recommend some sort of support - Relate, Women’s Aid etc - to help you, if leaving is what you want to do.

Best of luck x

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BelfastNonBlonde · 26/09/2019 11:25

^^“I don’t know what else I can do, or for how much longer I can expect him to act this way before he wakes up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse.”

Flip this - it’s you that needs to wake up and realises that this isn’t how a responsible, respectful, loving partner should be treating their spouse...

I’m no expert - but from the outside looking in, continued behaviour of this sort is extremely immature,controlling and yes, ultimately can be abusive. It is taking away your voice.

You deserve better OP. Maybe give therapy another try (together this time?), but if he can’t change his behaviour you deserve someone who will treat you as a human being and with respect.

I understand that it might be difficult for him to discuss things - but then he needs to find an equally silent partner - that should not be you.

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darthbreakz · 26/09/2019 11:30

Emotional abuse! Call Women's Aid and start getting him out of your system. It's not easy but the sooner you start the sooner you'll be free of the absolute bastard!

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Juells · 26/09/2019 11:31

TwentyEight
Can I ask what the nature of the subject matter or matters are that you are wanting to talk about when he shuts down please?

Can I also ask if you have ever approached him in a way where you say ‘how would you like to deal with this situation?’. Rather than, you always taking the lead on the communication front and being the one to fix or find a solution to the impasse.

I think you're missing the point, TwentyEight. Anyone who has been on the receiving end of this behaviour knows that it doesn't matter what the subject matter is, it doesn't matter how you approach it. Anything and everything can be used as a way of exerting power over you. I used to cry miserably by myself, wishing that there was a third party who could look at how I was being treated and tell me I wasn't insane. It wasn't until I started having suicidal thoughts about the impossibility of my situation that I copped myself on, and realised I'd imprisoned myself, there was nothing stopping me running away. So I did.

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RhubarbTea · 26/09/2019 11:33

I think you know deep down that he isn't going to change. His behaviour is deeply rooted, he has always been like this, and counselling didn't help him.

You won't leave until you're ready to leave, but I hope you have the courage to dream of something better than being treated like this. Of course it's emotional abuse, it's fucking horrendous. You deserve so much more, and he can't provide this.

It's like going into one of those pretend towns where there are no real houses, just facades that look like houses, going through the door of one and trying to make it your home. It would be very cold and wet in winter, the rain would soak you, there's no actual bathroom, or even rooms or even roof, just the sky and the pissing rain. It looked fine from the outside so you waste a lot of time trying to make it into a cosy home. Maybe you rig a tarp up, keep bailing out the rain and trying to keep the mould at bay, and you are always cold. But it's not really a house. Then one day your friend invites you round to hers and you realise what a house is actually meant to be like. You realise that no matter what you did, you could never have made what you had into a house because it just wasn't one. It couldn't ever be.

Sometimes you just have to think 'fuck it', cut your losses and give up. Because the person is incapable is being what you need. Not they don't want to - they can't.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 26/09/2019 11:37

I like ArgumentativeAardvaarks way of dealing with her 3 yo. Try and engage in a soft way. Then if he refuses, you go out.

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Playmysong · 26/09/2019 11:42

Op, what is the housing and financial situation? You need to plan your departure (or his, if it is your house) and also separate your finances (if they are joint). It isn’t easy to walk away, but you are being emotionally abused, which can be harder to deal with than physical abuse.

To the posters saying that you could be partly to blame are wrong, read what the op has said, the fault is his!

You really deserve so much more than this. Please don’t stay in this situation for any longer than you need to. Things are not going to improve and you are only going to risk your MH getting worse!

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LetsSeeIfThisNameIsTaken · 26/09/2019 11:45

You're completely right Juelles - it's not what I was trying to talk about that's made him stonewall me. He could stonewall me over me asking him why he doesn't take the rubbish out on bin days, or he could stonewall me over something huge. The topic itself is irrelevant to how he acts.

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NearlyGranny · 26/09/2019 11:48

Personally, I would never ask this sort of stonewalling person how they want to resolve an issue: they don't!

I would lay odds that he inwardly calls what he's doing 'bringing her to heel' or something similar. And that he would label the behaviour you want from him - simple communication - 'being under the thumb' or 'hen-pecked' or worse...

Some people just don't belong in relationships. They want all the benefits with none of the time-wasting emotional engagement or tedious 'together time'.

Time to ask what you're getting out of staying with him, OP, because it's clear what he's getting suits him down to the ground.

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sprouts21 · 26/09/2019 11:49

There is always goading involved with stonewalling. It's designed to make you lose your temper and the abuser feels powerful that they can provoke these reactions.

Stop engaging op. This man hates you and has contempt for you.

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Damntheman · 26/09/2019 11:52

OP this is textbook emotional abuse.

I like this suggestion

I suggest messaging him saying, "Talk to me when you are ready to discuss issue X and resolve it with me."

Ball in his court. Then I reckon start quietly packing and planning and if he goes a week without initiating that conversation and handling himself like a loving, respectful, adult partner, LTB because there is literally nothing there to build on

But I am afraid that I suspect he won't change. Get yourself some solo therapy so that you have support until you're ready to make the move to free yourself.

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LifeInAHamsterWheel · 26/09/2019 11:56

Oh OP I feel so sorry for you, one of my closest friends was married to a man just like your DP and she stayed with him for years hoping that he'd change. SHE changed! She compromised, gave in, gave up, tiptoed around him... but he remained the same git man he always was. Her situation was far worse as she married him and they had 3 children - then her children were subjected to the stonewalling too and she found herself having to explain to them that they'd done nothing wrong, that Daddy was being unreasonable by ignoring them etc. Eventually she left, my God the relief! She's back to her old self and shudders when she remembers the crap she put up with for so long.

You are in such a strong position right now, you're not married and you've no children. Please just get out of this relationship, it is not going to improve and YOU will suffer in the long run. You've already acknowledged that you've changed since you got with him.

Please google the Sunk Cost Fallacy - it's a very real thing, this fear that you've invested too much time and effort so you can't 'give up' on the relationship. This is what's holding you back now, all the 'what if's' and 'maybe he'll change' - honestly, he won't Walk away now while you can, your future happiness depends on it Flowers

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 26/09/2019 11:56

The question you need to ask yourself is whether you are happy to carry on putting up with him stonewalling you over things (and whether you'd be happy for him to do it to your children, if you have any in the future) or whether you think you deserve better.

As other posters have said, his behaviour is abusive - stonewalling is a form of abuse - and you have said you were afraid of him seeing you reading a book about abusive men - that is not a good sign, is it? And I don't think he is going to change - so you have to. You either have to get used to walking on eggshells around him, and accept being stonewalled, or you have to get out of the relationship.

There is a series of threads on here from a MNer whose husband did something very similar to your dp - he sulked, monumentally - and eventually it was too much for her, and she left him and is divorcing him.

You deserve better than this, OP.

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Vanhi · 26/09/2019 11:56

Apart from the stonewalling, he’s generally a good person, and I think that’s why I’ve stuck around so long.

OP there are so many posts like this on MN. The OP will list the ways in which their DP is a fundamentally flawed person and then say "but apart from X they're lovely". And the answer is always the same - no they fucking aren't. You cannot be a good person and treat someone in the way he is treating you. He's trained you to think he's good and you're the problem. He isn't good. He acts a certain way when you're subservient to him, to make sure you stay subservient.

He's an arsehole. Get rid and move on.

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timshelthechoice · 26/09/2019 11:59

"Stonewalling is not a communication problem. It's punishment for daring to speak up.As other posters confirm these men only ever get worse"

This. It's abuse. NO ONE can help you if you're going to stay in this relationship.

You will NEVER get an apology because he will never see what he is doing as controlling, abusive and wrong.

You are living in an abusive relationship.

I really hope you don't procreate with this person.

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