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Original poster

To think I'll get a payrise soon after I go back to work?

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Rainbowhairdontcare · 23/09/2019 07:44

My employers are lovely and they basically know I'm extremely underpaid. I had a chat with them and I will go back from ML to a new role completely designed around my skills and past experience.

I'm currently on £18k, a high salary in this region is considered to be around £35k so I know that's the max I'll get (but it's a massive jump so don't expect it anytime soon). My previous salary was £50k before being made redundant.

DH and I think I'll probably get £22k after 6 months in my new role. Although most people in different departments that are senior level make around £27k . So maybe £25k?

Of course they might not offer anything but that seems ludicrous considering what they want me to do.

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PotteringAlong · 23/09/2019 07:47

Have you asked them what your new package will be?

Hooferdoofer37 · 23/09/2019 07:49

You need to ask.

A simple, "it was lovely to see you the other day and discuss my new role. We didnt get a chance to discuss the salary though, could you let me know the revised figure?

Thanks very much..."

WaterSheep · 23/09/2019 07:50

I would have thought if you've discussed this new role enough to know what it will entail, and how it will use your previous skills then you've also spoken about the salary?

wowfudge · 23/09/2019 07:55

Or they might think they've got a bargain with someone of your experience prepared to work for £18k.

If you want more money then get it written into an agreement on the new role - salary £Xk rising to £Yk after six months satisfactory performance evidenced by a, b, c and £Zk after a year. Don't sell yourself short, a man wouldn't. And ask for more than you expect they'll be prepared to.pay so that in any negotiations the middle ground is acceptable to you rather than less than you'd like.

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Rainbowhairdontcare · 23/09/2019 07:56

My number one priority to get out of that meeting was to get 15 hrs WFH (completely doable in this new role).

They also paid me a much enhanced ML so think it's a bit out of order to ask for pay rise just then and there.

It's an on going conversation though, so I appreciate the feedback of asking for the rise before I even go back.

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RedskyLastNight · 23/09/2019 07:56

Yes, absolutely agree with the others. You should be "thinking" anything - you should know what you're going to be paid if you're moving to a new role.

Medievalist · 23/09/2019 07:59

*My number one priority to get out of that meeting was to get 15 hrs WFH (completely doable in this new role).

They also paid me a much enhanced ML so think it's a bit out of order to ask for pay rise just then and there.*

What an odd attitude. You still need to know what you are going to be paid! You could have started the discussion by asking what your salary will be in this new role. You didn't have to go straight to asking for a pay rise.

Verily1 · 23/09/2019 08:03

It’s an odd gamble.

If they are any good at running a business they will pay you the minimum they can!

Constantlurker · 23/09/2019 08:03

Are you going from full time to 15hrs WFH though? Because surely your salary would reduce according to your new hours, regardless of how skilled you are.

bridgetreilly · 23/09/2019 08:06

I would expect the pay rise to happen at the same time as the new role, not six months later. I think you are kidding yourself if you expect it to happen by magic when it hasn't already been discussed.

HugoSpritz · 23/09/2019 08:07

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HeadintheiClouds · 23/09/2019 08:07

How lovely can they be when they know you’re “extremely underpaid”?!

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Rainbowhairdontcare · 23/09/2019 08:07

Up until that meeting I had no idea they wanted me to do this new role 100% of the time. It has been discussed that I would do more related tasks but not as a FT role.

Those tasks never came to be because they didn't have enough employees to.do the more "menial" ones and that was higher priority. They've employed enough people now to free me up so I can do what they want me to do. Which involved building new business relationships with foreign customers/markets, solving CS queries, copyright issues (would deal with the language side of things) and localising the website (I've done a couple of projects around this, the owner said just this increased the web rankings substantially). Just the latter is worth £25ph

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EmpressJewel · 23/09/2019 08:13

Unless you have had a clear discussion with your employer, you would be foolish to make assumptions.

Yes, you may be underpaid, but that doesn't mean that your employer can or will increase your salary.

I'd recommend going back an trying to renegotiate with them, eg if in 6 months time you have achieved X,Y and Z I would like a salary increase in line with similar roles internally and externally.

Grafittiqueen · 23/09/2019 08:13

No, you need to get it sorted now otherwise it will never happen.

lostfrequencies · 23/09/2019 08:18

How do you know they're going to increase your pay at all when it wasn't even discussed?

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Rainbowhairdontcare · 23/09/2019 08:23

It's just an assumption (which I agree means nothing). But WFH would save enough money to the the beat of 5-6k so that's why I was happy either way.

That's still under negotiation so I can ask about the pay increase next time we meet.

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Chocolateandamaretto · 23/09/2019 08:25

If you haven’t discussed it i’m Pretty sure they’re expecting you back on your previous salary!

boujie · 23/09/2019 08:26

I expect your salary will be the same, unless you have been told otherwise.

I company that has been underpaying you will continue to try and underpay you!

I think you need to have the conversation sooner rather than later so that if they aren't going to pay you a fair wage, you can start looking at other options.

WonderTweek · 23/09/2019 08:27

I would also recommend asking about it before going back. I worked for a company and was underpaid for years, and was constantly promised pay rises (in seven years my pay only went up by about 3k despite a promotion, lots of training and hard work) and even the COO was always saying that they get such a bargain with me, with a tinkly laugh. In fact when they were recruiting for my maternity cover they had to change the job title to something much more junior as no one applied for my actual role. Hmm Anyway, I was told I was very underpaid and that "soon" my pay would be reviewed, and when I returned from maternity I was essentially doing a full timer's workload in part time hours and when I enquired about a pay rise I never got a response. This was one of those "lovely and supportive" companies and to be fair, they had been really supportive and kind to me in the beginning, but in the end I decided that I was being a mug and found another job. Now it's weird being paid approximately what I should!

This turned out to be a rant about my old job. Grin I hope you're right and you get your pay rise, but it would be good if you could get it in writing now so you won't be stringed along for years.

LadyLanka · 23/09/2019 08:30

I agree with PPs that you need to know exactly what your new rate of pay will be, together with any encanced benefit, pension, for example. However, I am intrigued at the 15 hours WFH because that is not even 2 working days in my world.

Maskin · 23/09/2019 08:30

This is a crazy thread! I think you’re being a bit unrealistic. You need to email them.

ffswhatnext · 23/09/2019 08:34

From experience. Expect the same pay. If they were offering more they would have mentioned it at the time.
They are probably thinking awesome she never asked for more cash.

Don’t let the extended maternity influence you. If you leave within a certain time frame it would be paid back.

Herocomplex · 23/09/2019 08:37

It should be a negotiation. If you’ve already agreed to new terms then you need to agree the salary. Agreeing to the first part without mentioning the second would make me a bit nervous.

It sounds like you know your value, can you demonstrate how your enhanced role how contributes to the bottom line? Do not accept an offer of an increase after 6 months in the role, it never happens in my experience.

Jennifer2r · 23/09/2019 08:37

How is wfh saving you that much money?

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