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Abolishing private schools - how would it work in practice?

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Dongdingdong · 22/09/2019 18:39

Labour has voted to abolish private schools:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-private-school-abolish-eton-vote-conference-corbyn-education-policy-a9115766.html

Whether you agree with this or not, I don’t understand how the logistics would work. Would private schools suddenly cease to exist from say, summer 2023, with all pupils forced to find a place at the local state school for the autumn term onwards? What would happen to the buildings and facilities - would they remain as state schools or be sold off to developers for example? Confused

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MissMarks · 22/09/2019 20:25

Trewser- your comment is absolutely vile. I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with jealousy so don’t be so arrogant.

Isleepinahedgefund · 22/09/2019 20:28

For so many reasons, It's one of their silliest ideas. It's things like this that make me believe they're deliberately trying to not get voted in.

Most of them will have attended private schools, as will most of their children - that the reality of the demographics of politicians.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 22/09/2019 20:28

Why on earth would they do that?! Private schools relieve a burden on the state system so it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever....

AsTheWorldTurns · 22/09/2019 20:29

The ^democratic distribution' of assets is just fucking bonkers. Presumably the first order of democracy is that the state can't forcibly sell something off, i.e. they need the owner's consent?

It fits neatly alongside their intentions to seize houses sitting idle for more than six months.

Property rights are the at the heart of the rule of law. What they propose is nothing short of fascist.

justasking111 · 22/09/2019 20:30

The two private schools near us are leased buildings, the national trust will not want them, rambling mansions from a bygone age. One of the schools is 40% SEN Liverpool Council and other councils send children there. The other one has a high percentage of chinese and russian pupils it is part of some academy international business.

SuitedandBooted · 22/09/2019 20:32

We will just move into the cachment of a good state school if this happens, and a hell of a lot of other parentst will do the same - beacause they can afford it

Unless Jezza &Co plan to "democratically distribute" my wages and house too - I suppose I DO have a quite a big garden....Hmm

SushiGo · 22/09/2019 20:33

It's a bizarre, pointless idea.

Rich people will just have more money to spend on giving their kids extra advantages.

Logically, you'd have to convert pretty much all of them into state schools, and since most families live locallyish to the school their kids go to, the same kids will still be going to these very good schools.

Effectively, it will just entrench the postcode lottery, where the rich pay a small fortune to live near very good state schools, and with the savings made on school fees can fund deposits for houses etc.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 22/09/2019 20:33

As PP have said, catchment areas for desirable schools are already prohibitively expensive for the majority of people and this will just get worse and worse as wealthy parents desperate for their children to go to 'nice' schools with 'nice' children will buy up, and push the prices up of, all the local houses so that they become unaffordable to most. Whole areas will be known as nice or not so nice and people will be judged on where they live and which school they/their children go to as there won't be a mixture of families in the catchment areas for schools. It will create a much more visible and state-created class divide where we will return to someone literally being from the wrong side of the tracks.

There was talk about abolishing Ofsted as well, so that there won't be any good and bad schools.

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PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 22/09/2019 20:33

I’m a partial product of private schooling, attended a boarding school for just three years where I completed my GCSEs and A Levels. I loved it, small classes, teachers who actually gave a shit, lots of sports and outdoor pursuits etc. Left the place with a sense of direction and a bit of focus as to what I wanted do with my life. My parents pulled me out of the local comp that had already massively let down my older sister and they did not want the same to happen to me and at considerable sacrifice sent me to boarding school. My father was a builder from Limerick and ran a small successful company, hardly 'old money' material

What people frequently forget is that there are private schools and there are private schools.

Even within the independent sector there is rampant snobbery at play. Just because you want to public school does not mean you are a member of 'the club'. The vast majority of private schools are unheard of institutions that offer a well behaved teaching environment with small classes with some nice to have bolt ons in terms of extra curricular activities that your average comp does not offer (Duke of Endinburgh etc). I can say with some confidence that my old school 'tie' opened zero doors for me or gave me fast track preferential access to plum job roles. It did gave me decent grades though and a bit of ambition

Most of the parents of pupils at these schools are middle class professional types who don't have money to burn and have made sacrifices to see their kids get a good academic start. For the most part the kids are 'normal' for want of another expression.

Then you get the likes of Charterhouse, Eton College, Harrow, Rugby, Shrewsbury, Westminster and Winchester, now these are elite and pupils here are just as likely to lump the afore mentioned lesser independent school in with the comps as scum to be mocked. They cost well over £30 grand a year and thats before all the additional costs are thrown in. Yes the facilities and quality of teaching are excellent, but that is only part of what you are paying for, the real 'value' in these schools comes from the connections pupils form that serve them throughout life, the stupendous sense of entitlement that is instilled in the pupils from day one and generally membership of club that is not grounded in reality.

At the end of the day even if public schools were abolished do you really think Lord and lady snot are going to just send their kids to the local comp? They will look after their own and find ways to make sure their kids don't mix with the oiks.

Davros · 22/09/2019 20:36

private schools are set up as charities-
Not true. Many are groups that are strictly businesses and do not have charitable status at all

Pamplemousecat · 22/09/2019 20:38

In order for this to happen it would have to be passed as an act in parliament which I believe has to go through commons , lords and queen. Would a bill like this ever get through the House of Lords? Given their schooling I doubt they would agree

AsTheWorldTurns · 22/09/2019 20:38

If this were to come to pass, most parents would refuse to send their child to the local comp - instead, they'd home-school them.

They'd use their WhatsApp list and round up all the other parents, hire disused teachers from the disused schools, and employ them as tutors.

Then they'd rent the disused schools, and install their children and their teachers there under some kind of home-schooling charter.

MissMarks · 22/09/2019 20:38

Well where I am they are all charities and has such don’t have to pay business rates etc.

pottedshrimps · 22/09/2019 20:40

Mine goes to an online school which we pay for because he has aspergers and was bullied out of his state comprehensive school. I swear I hate Labour for saying they will do this as there is no way ds would cope in a regular school. I keep worrying about it and will never vote Labour again as I despise what they've become.

pottedshrimps · 22/09/2019 20:42

And if they can come for the schools, what's to stop them from seizing other private assets like our house?

Milicentbystander72 · 22/09/2019 20:46

I personally don't like the idea if Private Schools in principle but even I can see this policy is crazy.

I think if they'd gone for a well thought out policy of scrapping charitable status for private schools and then ploughing those funds back into the state sector it may be more palatable for voters.

This 'seizing and distributing' property has scary overtones. A bit too Animal Farm-like for my taste.

Fluffycloudland77 · 22/09/2019 20:46

There’s a leader of a labour council who sends his dd to roedean (sp) BUT he says that’s a private family matter 🤪

So that’s ok then.

OxeyeDaisy · 22/09/2019 20:50

Labour is an absolute joke. If someone can afford to send their child to private school and that’s what they want to do then why not.

While your at it Labour if it’s all about making it fair and giving everyone the same chances when are you scraping private hospitals and medical treatment?

LaPeste · 22/09/2019 20:50

Honestly, those that make comparisons with communism are a daft as brush

Milicentbystander72 · 22/09/2019 20:51

Incidentally there are 2 state schools in Bristol that were private until about 2008/9. They both have lottery systems for admissions.

They are some of the most sought after schools in Bristol as the results are still very high. I don't know how they've maintained it but all power to them.

Doingthingsdifferently · 22/09/2019 20:53

Where does it stop?

It isn't fair some people have second homes, let's take them off the owners and "re-distribute" them?

It isn't fair that some some people shop in Waitrose and M&S so we should all be made to shop in Aldi.

It isn't fair some people have bigger houses than they need - they need to share with those less well off?

It isn't fair that some people have savings and investments?

It isn't fair that some people go abroad more than once a year for holidays....

For anyone voting for this shower do you really think anyone will continue to work hard and pay an ever increasing amount of tax if they cannot then chose what to spend their money on?

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 22/09/2019 20:55

Honestly, those that make comparisons with communism are a daft as brush

Why?

How is abolishing a huge part part of the educational system and re-distributing or its assets while also abolishing Osted so all schools are the same not communist уровниловка?

AsTheWorldTurns · 22/09/2019 20:56

Honestly, those that make comparisons with communism are a daft as brush

What do you think the communists did when they came to power in the USSR? They seized everything that they thought was the preserve of the elite and sought to make everything equal.

It is unprecedented in the UK, as far as I know, for the government to seize assets to redress a perceived social imbalance. Seizure has previously been limited to compulsory purchase orders to make way for public works projects, which are contentious in and of themselves but carry a kernel of reason that most sensible people would find hard to disagree with.

flowerycurtain · 22/09/2019 20:57

Why LaPeste? I'd genuinely like to know.

I used to vote Labour. This terrifies me. If they can take a school what are they going to do next? My farm?

Why not go down the line of improving state schools so much private become virtually irrelevant.

Abolishing private schools wouldn't make that much of a difference. I'd just spend the Money on getting my kids tutored etc.

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