Abolishing private schools - how would it work in practice?

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Labour has voted to abolish private schools:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-private-school-abolish-eton-vote-conference-corbyn-education-policy-a9115766.html

Whether you agree with this or not, I don’t understand how the logistics would work. Would private schools suddenly cease to exist from say, summer 2023, with all pupils forced to find a place at the local state school for the autumn term onwards? What would happen to the buildings and facilities - would they remain as state schools or be sold off to developers for example?

Convention!

No. Rich people would not on whole opt to home school. A ridiculous comme. There is more to schooling than the academic side. A lot of people on here are clueless! And furthermore, the ones who are clueless are the ones whose children are not being privately educated. So none of your business really

You're wrong, of course.

They might not home-school in the traditional sense but the offspring the rich are not going to the local comprehensive. For starters, if they're coming from an elite public school, they'd be literally years ahead and in many cases working beyond the available curriculum.

My brother sends his children to a top PS, they wouldn't home school

Oh well it's settled then

why so aggressive? surely you can make a point without being rude?

I was answering the PP who said i had no contact with private schools or their parents, as well you know, so there is also no need to take my comment out of context.

Also, my state educated child has done a lot of competition at private schools, where i met lots of PS parents and children

One of our local private schools, the property is owned by a lord who owns a huge chunk -of real estate, commercial and residential plus agricultural. Cannot seeing him allowing a government to grab it.

Also, my state educated child has done a lot of competition at private schools, where i met lots of PS parents and children sorry, it might feel as if you know lots about private school but you don't really get it until your child has been to one. Your brother feels the same as you despite having a child at a 'top PS'? He's being polite.

As always, tone is lost in writing. It wasn't meant to be aggressive, imagine me saying it with a smile and . Sorry.

Jasjas. Funnily enough I’ve ‘met’ a lot of state school parents...it doesn’t mean I know what choices they would make in every situation 🙄

One family member doesn’t represent the views of thousands of private school parents either so you really have no idea what ‘most’ independent school parents would do, just as I don’t despite being one myself.

Perhaps rather than act like a snowflake (the previous poster wasn't being aggressive, just making a comment which is allowed on a forum) concentrate on actually taking in and listening to what many, many people are saying on this thread as it suggests you might just be wrong.

But can you elaborate on what you mean by the state 'taking' private schools jasjas? What measures are you comfortable with? Bearing in mind that Labour also wants to nationalise a lot of assets that are not exactly the preserve of the elite but rather propping up a lot of ordinary investors (pension funds??).

Cendrillon

The Human Rights Act (1988) is a UK law.

Theresa May, a recent Conservative prime minister, said she intended to repeal it after the UK resigned from the UK.

Apparently she thought it a nuisance that people have rights. Many Brexers share this view.

Am I the only parent who does not give a flying flamingo about independent schools. I am fairly pragmatic about the fact they exist, etc
I sent my own DC to state schools, and dont really care that some parents like to pay again, (as opposed to general taxation) to send their children private.
My own concern was about the school(s) my DC attended and their own education, not anyone else's

I mean, of course "resigned from the EU"

Sorry.

@jasjas1973 would you be happy for any retirement investments you have to be cut by say, 20% in the name of equality if McDonnell decides that it's not worth what the market says it is?

@PigletJohn property rights are enshrined in international human rights law.

would you be happy for any retirement investments you have to be cut by say, 20% in the name of equality if McDonnell decides that it's not worth what the market says it is?

No, of course not, are Lab planning on doing this?

I don't know what how or by what means Lab intend to take PS into the state sector, they haven't said have they?

but i would imagine it would done over many years and under similar legislation to how private property is obtained in regard to HS2.

Funnily enough I’ve ‘met’ a lot of state school parents...it doesn’t mean I know what choices they would make in every situation

Once again out of context, it was made in reply to dapple saying i didn't know PS parents.
Also, my brother and wife weren't being polite, they have zero interest in HS and believe it can lead to socially isolated children.

Jasjas. Do you understand why Labour haven’t said how they would do this?

No, of course not, are Lab planning on doing this?

They want to give 10% of FTSE 100 companies to its employees:

www.ft.com/content/dc17d7ee-ccab-11e9-b018-ca4456540ea6

Give tenants the right to buy their rental properties from the owner at below-market rates
(also in the above article)

Nationalise much of the privately owned infrastructure e.g. rails, energy, private medical centres etc.

This all sounds tempting to socialists until they realise that their investments are at risk because McDonnell has dropped hints that he doesn't need to pay market value (and of course, the UK government really can't, can it, they don't have enough money without printing so much money they'd run out of paper).

Of course, its a can of worms lol! as they'll find out if they actually did it.

I think they should stick to removing charitable status and apply 'rates and VAT etc.

OR perhaps a better idea would be to make PS genuinely open up their teaching and facilities to the state? by allowing them to keep chariabel status.

I think they should stick to removing charitable status and apply 'rates and VAT etc.

I'm very happy to hear you say this, and as one who will be hit very, very hard by these changes, I am prepared to take them in the chin.

But it will be sad for the scholarship/bursary children whose places will evaporate.

OR perhaps a better idea would be to make PS genuinely open up their teaching and facilities to the state? by allowing them to keep chariabel status.

This we can agree upon - but I think you'd be surprised to see how the higher-ranking schools are working to exceed this.

I'm not a socialist.

I don't have a sub to the FT, does that make me one? :)

In principal, there is nothing wrong in employee interest in the company they work for, so why should a CEO take millions in share options but an employee gets min wage and statutory redundancy?

But none of the above are directly to do with PS.

Yep, no more bursaries, no more sharing of their facilities, so no more kids swimming, hockey, rugby clubs. No teachers going to schools in deprived areas and helping. No local primaries invited for drama, arts and music workshops. No local theatre and performance space. No local 6th formers invited for Oxbridge interview classes. Fuck all that privileged bollocks.

We can just hunker down, pull up the drawbridge and crack on with it.

PigletJohn

The Human Rights Act (1988) is a UK law.

Theresa May, a recent Conservative prime minister, said she intended to repeal it after the UK resigned from the UK.

Oh dear, have you not noticed (1) May is no longer relevant (2) we're talking about the programme of a potential Labour Government led by Jeremy Corbyn.

So will Labour and Corbyn repeal national and international human rights laws in order to get their spiteful little seizures through? 'Cos that will be a great look for a supposedly "progressive" regime!

Its very piecemeal, if a school is really a business, then they should be treated as such.

I just find it indefensible that fee paying parents avoid VAT and get access to some brilliant facilities BUT a family struggling in the state sector, will have to pay VAT on sports facilities so their children can learn to swim (assuming their school do not have a swimming pool, which many do not)