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To think people just forget about kids with SEN?

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LloydBraun · 22/09/2019 17:29

Labour Party bollocks about abolishing private schools all over the news.
I haven’t yet heard a single person ask them about impact on independent schools providing SEN education -often, with no equivalent state provision being available.
Seems like the only time our kids feature is when benefits are talked about. When it comes to the education which might help increase independence from the state - they don’t feature.
Makes me puke.

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LloydBraun · 23/09/2019 19:25

It’s not scaremongering. It’s pointing out that labour hasn’t addressed this, and no one seems to be pressing them to. Which shows how unimportant it seems to be.
Clue is in the thread title.

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myself2020 · 23/09/2019 19:38

Completely agree. Kids who don’t fit in a one size fits all system don’t count for these guys. And most state school are rewarded for teaching to the test, they are inflexibel towards kids who don’t fit the test criteria.... its a diseaster for all the other kids

RuffleCrow · 23/09/2019 20:52

Why would they address a made up facet to a policy? Closing private schools has sod all to do with closing state funded special schools. You may as well have a go at them for not addressing the issue of all state funded schools being closed.

Grasspigeons · 23/09/2019 21:11

RuffleCrow - i dont think you understand and are muddlung these schools up with maintained special schools/units/academies. We have children at independent special schools and the state pays their fees. Via an invoice. They arent 'state funded special schools'. Even if all the children have their fees paid by the state. They are section 51 schools, nnms schools and the like.
The state doest cater for some children so pays the fees at private institutions recognising they have nothing to offer. Here is an example of the type of institution

jigsawschool.co.uk/about-us/

Its not a made up facet of the policy. It independent schools are banned, the fundamental nature of this school is banned.

PermanentPortakabin · 23/09/2019 23:03

My dc’s independent SN school isn’t state funded. The vast majority of pupils have their fees paid by their LA, but this is because the LA has a duty to provide a suitable education for all children, and (in my case, and is unfortunately often the case for most) I was able to prove that the education they were offering at the state funded SN school was not suitable.

There are a few families at dd’s school who self fund. It isn’t usual, because it is so expensive, but it does happen. We self funded dd at her previous school while fighting for her Statement (as was), and while going to tribunal to secure her future education.

The fact that dd’s fees are paid by the LA doesn’t make it a state funded school. It means that it has been proven that my LA are unable to provide a suitable education (not a bells and whistles, best education, but a suitable education, as it is duty bound to do for all children) for dd, and therefore must pay a private provision to cater to her needs. If the provision didn’t exist, if say, because all private schools were abolished, there would be no alternative for the tribunal to direct the LA to. The only choice would be the state funded schools which have already been deemed to be unsuitable...

RuffleCrow · 23/09/2019 23:13

If it's inspected by ofsted -as that school you've linked to is- it's not a private school. Private schools have their own inspectors. That school may be 'independent' but effectively it's paid for by the state. Labour wants to get rid of private schools not independent schools per se. Labour aren't stupid enough to leave thousands of SEN children with nowhere to go - they've been calling out the Tories on their discriminatory policies on disability since about 2010. Besides Labour isn't just elected politicians - grassroots membership would mutiny over what you're suggesting.

RuffleCrow · 23/09/2019 23:14

PS i've never even voted Labour, just to be clear!

Grasspigeons · 24/09/2019 07:01

I know i am labouring this point, but half of all independent schools are inspected by ofsted so thats not a measure.
There wont be outcry at a grassroutes level because people believe ideologically in inclusion and people literally dont understand these are independent schools so assume it wont include them. It needs to expressly stated, not assumed.

www.gov.uk/types-of-school/private-schools

soccerbabe · 24/09/2019 07:28

I agree OP that Labour needs to clarify this issue.

Metriti · 24/09/2019 07:45

If it's inspected by ofsted -as that school you've linked to is- it's not a private school. Private schools have their own inspectors.

Thats not true, lots of private schools are inspected by ofsted.

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