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55 replies

loverose · 17/09/2019 17:35

I do not want one fitted!!! Why on earth am I being bombarded with letters and calls trying to book my appointment to have one?

I don't see the benefit to it and would appreciate if someone can prove me wrong as to why they're so great Confused

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Tianc · 17/09/2019 17:40

Um, not what you asked for, but I did a thread about them ages ago, and personally I'm not a fan.

Regardless of which way you choose, everyone should be informed before making a decision, and this describes some of the issues.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/other_subjects/1327330-Anyone-having-a-gas-leccy-meter-replaced-with-a-Smart-Meter-Something-you-need-to-know

TonTonMacoute · 17/09/2019 17:42

They are not great and don't work brilliantly well, especially if you want to change suppliers.

You are being bombarded because the government have told energy companies that they have got to install them in every household by a certain deadline. That deadline has now been extended because there are so many problems

DH is working with a big energy company on their smart meter roll out, and it's farcical.

If you don't want one you don't have to have one. I have blocked the number of our electricity supplier, they were ringing twice a day just after we switched. We have no intention of getting one until we absolutely have to, not that it would work here anyway, as they need a mobile phone signal to transmit the data.

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flirtygirl · 17/09/2019 17:49

I'm. Not. GETTING. One and hate the whole bloody thing.

I've blocked the tel nos as they ring stupid times as well, that adds insult to injury.

What a total waste of Millions. If you are frugal or care about the environment you are watching what you use anyway. You don't need a smart meter.

I hate the adverts as well, wanky stuff trying to say that if you don't have a smart meter then you don't care about the environment.

Who in their right minds thinks that's manufacturing and installing millions of the things and the infrastructure (waste of petrol and manholes, etc) is good for the environment. When all people had to do is have good habits and monitor their use.

It's not hard to turn off lights and appliances and to choose better models in the first place or do without things like tumble dryers and electric power showers.

I literally get mad thinking about the whole thing.

Tianc · 17/09/2019 17:49

Yep, delayed. Not sure if there's a paywall on the Telegraph, so here's today's Beeb article:

"Smart meter rollout delayed for four years"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49721436

scaryteacher · 17/09/2019 17:59

They will become integral to a smart energy grid which will be able to switch household appliances on and off depending on the cost of electricity and automatically charge electric vehicles in a cost-effective way.

See above from an article in the DT. There you have it, they are needed to remotely control our appliances.

scaryteacher · 17/09/2019 18:00

www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-and-utilities/gas-electric/inside-story-governments-13bn-smart-meter-roll-out-went-rails/

Not behind the paywall, so you should be able to link to it.

Figmentofmyimagination · 17/09/2019 18:03

They slowed down our normally fast internet to a snails pace so I unplugged it within a couple of hours of the guy installing it.

Mumsymumphy · 17/09/2019 18:05

I might be being thick here but in order for smart meters to be able to control our appliances, if that is the ulterior motive, then don't all the appliances need to be smart appliances and have wi-fi capabilities in order for a remote smart box to be able to turn them off?

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:05

One of the big reasons for installing smart meters is to introduce "Time Of Use" pricing, ie much higher prices in peak times like the evenings.

This is likely to affect the working poor particularly hard, if they can't easily shift all their cooking and laundry and showers to the off-peak period.

It will be interesting to see if the power companies now crack, and start to roll out evening price surge tariffs in a big way BEFORE they get the majority of households onto a smart meter.

This was NOT their plan!

The plan was to get most people onto a smart meter, introduce TOU tariffs as though they were just an off-peak discount... and then crank the peak time pricing into the stratosphere making it unaffordable for many people. (Ie same technique as trains, with some cheap off-peak or advance tickets, and eyewatering standard tickets.)

Because of the delay, the power companies may have to run a decent non-TOU tariff for the majority of customers (to keep those customers and to avoid the wrath of Ofgem), at the same as they run a TOU tariff available to those who have smart meters.

This would mean evening surge price tariffs would actually get a decent-sized customer trial among early adopters with smart meters.

After that, the rest of us can make a more informed choice about whether we want such tariffs.

TL;DR: a partial roll-out of TOU tariffs would be a good thing to those who genuinely care about customer choice. They may be a bad thing to those trying to steamroller through a non-choice "choice"!

FuzzyPuffling · 17/09/2019 18:08

Dear (ha ha) Electricity company
I'm not using my electricity or wifi on your shonky meter.
Never.
Love (ha ha)
Fuzzy

SpoonBlender · 17/09/2019 18:08

Smart meters have NO ABILITY TO TURN OFF YOUR DEVICES. @scaryteacher don't fearmonger.

They feed back info about power usage so that a potential Smart Grid (marketing term, not a thing that exists) could be created with sensible inputs. We're going to need that as we green up our power generation, as it's a lot harder to have power on-demand with renewables etc than it is when you've got gas turbine power stations waiting to spin up.

Smart meters currently are pretty dumb. They only know how much total power draw is happening in your whole house, and can't report anything back other than that energy usage bar chart.

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:10

Mumsymumphy, correct – or at least be plugged into a smart socket.

However, you will "want" to let the power companies switch your appliances on and off, because you will have "chosen" to pay a stonking high rate at peak times (and the times might be unpredictable, eg wind doesn't blow) and you will be desperate to turn off as many appliances as possible when a peak suddenly happens.

Jesaminecollins · 17/09/2019 18:13

@loverose

I wouldn't get one because they are having loads of problems with them at the the moment

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7470099/Energy-suppliers-given-four-years-install-smart-meters-homes-Britain.html

loverose · 17/09/2019 18:17

I am so glad it's not just me, I hate the idea of them knowing exactly what's going on in my house and then potentially increasing my bills for it.

I received this letter after telling them I don't want it fitted, they then called me this evening to book in and I nearly lost my rag!

Smart meter
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Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:19

Heh, well there's a nicely split hair, SpoonBlender.

You are narrowly correct. It is not the smart meter that's doing the turning on and off. It's the socket or appliance itself, when it has been connected and forms part of the smart grid. The smart meter is another key part of that grid.

So the Telegraph quote is also true: "a smart energy grid which will be able to switch household appliances on and off"

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:22

BTW, see my previous thread for the data the smart meters are planning to collect and who it is planned they will share it with.

All with your highly uninformed consent and completely unfree choice, obvs.

PookieDo · 17/09/2019 18:25

I don’t think they are connected to my WiFi. I did not have to connect it at all when it was installed and the engineer never asked me. I understood that they have their own network it runs on

For me, it is saving me money as I had prepayment meters before - if anything is ruining poor peoples lives it is those things. We need to move away from forcing people to live off 10p worth of gas credit in the freezing cold and if a smart meter will help, then it is a good thing for them. Many people in poverty are on pre pay meters and economy 7 which IME is bloody awful and should be outlawed!

PumpkinP · 17/09/2019 18:26

I have one, I actually called them to get one. Not having to go to the shop to top up my gas/electric was reason enough for me.

Yerroblemom1923 · 17/09/2019 18:28

Is a smart meter that little device that shows how much gas and energy you use daily/weekly etc? If so I unplugged mine as it was making me paranoid!Confused

GCAcademic · 17/09/2019 18:28

They slowed down our normally fast internet to a snails pace so I unplugged it within a couple of hours of the guy installing it.

How is that possible? I though they connected to a mobile phone network, not your home internet?

I have stupidly been lured into getting one, having switched supplier and not clocked that the tariff is dependent upon having a smart meter. Fuckers. I’m hoping that they won’t be able to install it as there’s virtually no mobile signal where we live.

hopefulmama36 · 17/09/2019 18:29

We had one fitted but only because we're on pre-payment meters and it means I don't have to go to the blooming shop with the key/card. It's so much easier! I get an email if the credit is low and use the app to pay online by bank card. No more having to get cash and find a shop that's open. The meter only ever seemed to run out on a weekend or when the closest shol was shut. HmmHmmHmm

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:31

Smart meters can be set up as prepayment meters too.

In fact, another of the reasons the power companies like them is they intend to reprogramme your prepay meter to a prepayment meter at the tick of a box, if they want to, without the expense of a magistrate's warrant and sending an engineer to get into your house.

So if you receive a bonkers bill and dispute it, they can say, "Tough shit", convert your meter and and just start taking their bonkers amount out of whatever you feed in.

scaryteacher · 17/09/2019 18:34

@Spoonblender Info from the DT article today. I wasn't scaremongering, I was relaying information I had read elsewhere. However, my C.Eng. Electronic Engineer husband, says one will be installed over his dead body, as there is no need for them, and it won't work where we live anyway, so why waste time and money?

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:35

Yerroblemom1923, no, that sounds like a clip-on monitor which just reads you how much you're using.

It's a bit confusing, because the smart meters also come with a display, often handheld, which tells you the same thing. But if you didn't have your big electricity meter in your cupboard replaced when you got your little device, then you don't have smart meter. (Unless you moved into a house with this already set up, of course.)

Tianc · 17/09/2019 18:37

TOU pricing will be like Economy 7 on acid. There will be price peaks at obvious major usage times (evenings) and at unpredictable times (wind doesn't blow).

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