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To think that as long as people continue to read the Daily Mail and Express, this country is doomed

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Meadowland · 11/09/2019 10:59

Written by the rich, who pretend to be concerned for the poor. And the really sad thing is, people believe what they read.

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birdandroses · 13/09/2019 01:05

Argh, my quote above should not include ‘in the UK right wing’. Of the five companies at least 3 have a right wing agenda.

Ibiza2015 · 13/09/2019 01:17

Mediareform are massively, massively biased you wally. They are deliberately misleading eg ignoring that most people consume the news via the BBC.

Ibiza2015 · 13/09/2019 01:23

Media Reform is far left and uses deceptive tactics like referring to who owns the media these days based on the sales of hard, printed copies of newspapers. That’s misleading because most people don’t consume news that way anymore, and if they do, they tend to be older people which skews the balance towards the right. Do you know any 20 or 30 somethings who buy a paper daily and consume news like that?

Just goes to show bias is not the preserve of the right alone.

DdraigGoch · 13/09/2019 01:24

*YANBU

There is bias and then there's lying. And anyone who thinks we have a free press is an indictment on our education system.*
@MythicalBiologicalFennel just how many corrections has Carole Cadwaladr (of the Guardian) been forced to issue in her career? There was another one yesterday...

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/09/2019 01:27

In the 6 months before the Brexit referendum, One in every five tabloid front pages concerned immigration - and they weren’t celebrating what a great thing it is...

See, I can agree to an extent this. There does seem to be a slant towards anti immigrants etc with some newspapers,, and one they try and influence you about.
Even down to the wording used.
"Invading, swarms, marching..... etc
Evocative language. I agree that needs to be curtailed and regulated. Still think we should have both political "views" across.
There's a line between hate and free speech though

Ibiza2015 · 13/09/2019 01:33

In the 6 months before the Brexit referendum, One in every five tabloid front pages concerned immigration - and they weren’t celebrating what a great thing it is...

This was because of the refugee crisis. Migration has caused the deepest and most profound changes to our society over the last 20 odd years, so it would be odd for it not to be discussed or only discussed in positive terms.

The Graun did that on the Cologne NYE attacks. First of all they denied it, then they refused to allow its discussion and brought in reinforcements to moderate comments on all news stories (including ones which had nothing to do with it) then when it eventually became clear it had happened, they minimised and victim blamed.

managedmis · 13/09/2019 01:53

Dm is good for the pics

Graphista · 13/09/2019 02:25

We DO NOT have a free press nowhere near!

I don't believe in censorship (excepting hate speech) but we do need balance & regulation and currently we have neither.

Self regulation is worse than none!

"Aren't all newspaper writers rich?" Writers not so much especially freelancers but owners of papers? Oh yes!

"We're all biased, whether we like it or not" exactly

"George Orwell was not wrong about GroupThink." While Orwell was a critic of communism, he was a socialist - he'd be no more in favour of a right wing bias than he was of an extremely left wing one

Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” George Orwell.

U.K. Papers are far too beholden to advertisers

birdandroses · 14/09/2019 17:11

“This was because of the refugee crisis. Migration has caused the deepest and most profound changes to our society over the last 20 odd years”

How does the 2015 mainly Syrian refugee crisis affect UK society when the UK gave asylum to these refugees in low numbers? You seem to be conflating EU migration with refugees.

EagleVisionSquirrelWork · 14/09/2019 18:13

Christ, a thread where most posters are defending the DM. I've heard it all now.

Ibiza2015 · 14/09/2019 18:45

How does the 2015 mainly Syrian refugee crisis affect UK society when the UK gave asylum to these refugees in low numbers? You seem to be conflating EU migration with refugees.

You’re assuming hindsight and that we knew how it would all turn out before it happened.

In 2015 Merkel announced that the Schengen area would have what was an effectively open borders migration policy for anybody who cared to turn up. The problem with that was twofold:

  1. Germany is not in an area where asylum seekers can reach it without passing through other E.U. countries meaning other EU countries where affected by transient migrants badly.

  2. Merkel is not an elected E.U. politician. She has only ever been elected inside Germany, people from other countries could not express their disapproval of her actions via democratic means because they can’t vote her in or vote her out.

In 2015 and generally before the referendum, the UK was under great pressure to accept a great number of the migrants Merkel invited. We refused and said instead we intended to take the neediest refugees recommended as such by NGOs straight from the camp in Syria. Sick people, children, those previously slaves for ISIS, the ‘wrong’ religions (Yazidi, Christian, Shia). The number was around 25,000.

Our policy for asylum has worked so well that even Merkel now admits her policy was wrong and ours was right.

Merkel and Germany have continued to bombastically insist other European states take large numbers of the refugees she invited, placing great political and economic burdens on countries who declined.

If the spectre of the referendum and Brexit hadn’t loomed over the E.U. at that time it’s unlikely that we would have been able to refuse or that the rest of the E.U. would have affected the acceptance of that refusal.

It was a genuine concern over EU membership. It’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

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