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School bullying..AIBU?

101 replies

Schoolmumm · 04/09/2019 23:31

DD is in year 6 at prep, a quiet thoughtful child, who genuinely likes everyone in her class, and has always been friendly with everyone. Without going into too much detail, we discovered dd was being bullied by a group of 3 girls, and it had been going on for some time. What has particularly troubled us, is the devious, abusive way in which they treating her, and how submissive she appeared to have become, purely to please them and try and keep their ‘friendship’.
They have done and said so many things, it would take a few pages to list.. telling her to meet them in various places at break time, then going elsewhere, leaving her wandering the school searching for them alone. Demanding she shared break time snacks under the pretence of giving her some of theirs, then leaving her with nothing. Getting her to do their homework for them in prep, ‘because she is clever’, but then laughing and telling her she is so dumb, when she handed it back. On a week long school trip before the summer holidays, they shared a room, and decided dd was not allowed to use the bathroom until they had all finished, by which time of course, it was always too late. She came home not having washed once the entire week, and seemed reluctant to question this in any way, as being wrong. She became extremely defensive when their behaviour was questioned in any way, and in the end it all came to a head, when she became too humiliated to go to school, because they had been laughing at the clothes she wore, and had humiliated her when they pretended they had decided to wear a ‘theme’ for a class party, which of course wasn’t true. The school became involved, parents were called in, and we have spent the summer trying to build up her confidence. After such a long time of being emotionally abused by these girls, it almost seemed as if she had become completely submissive, not to mention terribly confused. She thought they were her friends, but they were nothing but bullies. We were very close to pulling her out, but the school reassured us they would deal with it all robustly, should anything ever happen again, and year 6 will give dd great opportunities to develop her confidence with things like leadership roles etc etc
Back to school this week, and the leadership roles were announced; Head girl and heads of house for all three girls. Extolling their virtues as good role models for the school, and inviting us all to congratulate them on their success. Nearly every girl was given some kind of role, but our daughter has been completely excluded. If it wasn’t for the events that have happened, it truly would not bother me one jot. But given everything that has happened, we just feel so angry and disappointed. AIBU?

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IsoscelesSandwich · 05/09/2019 09:17

Poor girl, at least she has you fighting her corner. Move her if you need to, a good year at a primary could be transformative in helping her build confidence for secondary. I moved school for final year of primary and honestly it was fine. Good luck to her and you.

ShutupWesley · 05/09/2019 09:18

Can you take her out of that school? This is horrible Sad

Kazzyhoward · 05/09/2019 09:20

Private schools reward bullies shocker!

It's nothing to do with private v state. It happens in state schools too!

When I was at my crap state comp, it was rife. The teachers were friendly with the bullies and just shrugged off any complaints of bullying, with the usual victim blaming. It's a disgrace that teachers still havn't got a grip after so many decades of the same thing happening.

Uniformuniformuniform · 05/09/2019 09:22

I'm not 'that' parent but on this occasion I would march to the school and ask why after everything that happened had she been excluded and the bullies rewarded?

This was the same at my school. Bullied to no end and the bullies always rewarded.
Disgraceful and they have let your daughter down big time

Uniformuniformuniform · 05/09/2019 09:22

And I went to state school too.

Kazzyhoward · 05/09/2019 09:23

This makes me so angry, as someone who was bullied at school I can tell you, as others have that it can affect you for the rest of your life.

It has certainly affected and defined my life. More so that the teachers knew about it but chose to do absolutely nothing - in fact they facilitated it by refusing to allow me to even sit away from them in class, so I had to do "group" work with the bullies. It has left me unable to work as a team - I have always chosen solitary jobs and basically have less than a handful of friends.

The OP needs to stand up to the school and challenge them.

RainbowsandSnowdrops · 05/09/2019 09:26

I think this is absolutely disgusting.

Is this a prep school that you are paying fees for? That makes it even more unbelievable.

I would have had to say something the moment I found out they had been rewarded. Your DD sounds lovely and if she’s happy I understand why you wouldn’t want to remove her from the school at the moment. But I just couldn’t deal with bullies not receiving any kind of punishment. Did anything even happen when it all came out? Did they receive any kind of discipline from the school?

Uniformuniformuniform · 05/09/2019 09:27

I would go as far as pulling her out. And then naming and shaming. This is so something that never ever ends. It's behaviour that has never been eradicated from school or the work place. More should name and shame to put an end to it.

I wasn't allowed to name and shame my bully. It went on from reception to year 6. I wasn't allowed to name and shame as that was bullying Hmm it only stopped when I snapped. Shook her by the shoulders and shouted in her face.

MsTSwift · 05/09/2019 09:45

Read cats eye by Margaret Atwood. She describes the horror of little girl bullying. The true shock though is when as a 9 year she realises the bully’s parents know and condone it. It’s an incredible book. Reread when my 10 year old dealing with this.

MsTSwift · 05/09/2019 09:51

The girls rewarded at dd1s school (state all girl) are the kind ones. Dds friend ensures no one is left out and sits with girls who are on their own and ensures they are included. She is given positions of power and rightly so.

malificent7 · 05/09/2019 09:52

Why not send her to state ?
I went to state and private and i was bullied horribly at private and got on great with everyone at state school. ( hence my massive chip about private education.)Or at least a different private or grammar school.
Or pull her out and homeschool for a while.

malificent7 · 05/09/2019 09:55

Oh yes...and publicise it Private schools hate it when people tell the truth about their conduct...bad reputation hits their bank balance.

IsobelRae23 · 05/09/2019 10:03

You are paying for your child to go to school where she is being bullied and it has done god only knows what damage to her already? You are paying for this. You are actually paying for your child to treated like this.

Schoolmumm · 05/09/2019 10:21

Wow thanks for all the responses. I tossed and turned last night contemplating what to say and how to approach it. I think their approach is that it's now in the past, we've moved on. New school year, new beginnings. And yes, I can see why they would think that, and my daughter has absolutely loved her school until all this happened, triggered by a new girl moving into the class, and the fact that one of the girls had been her best friend for years, and they had such a lovely special, and supportive friendship up till then. She has been devastated by the loss of that friendship, and can't understand why she suddenly changed and became so 'different'. She was like the playful puppy, devoted to her masters, even when they'd turn around and kick her away, she would come bounding back for more. Because she loved her 'friends', and it had been going on for so long, she couldn't see that they were not really her friends at all. And I don't think the school appreciate the extent of their behavior, and the depth of its impact on our daughter. We feel so torn. Yes we have been contemplating moving her, as drastic as that is. But she is so fragile underneath, and her confidence so lacking, that the mere mention of moving schools deeply upset her. It's as if she is the one having to be punished, and there are other children there that have been very kind and supportive, so we had hoped that these friendships would help build her up this year. As for the leadership roles, it's definitely felt like adding insult to injury. Far from being that pushy parent that is simply angry because their child isn't chosen, it's the principle that I just can't comprehend, so I really didn't want them to think I was resurrecting the bullying issue, just because we felt aggrieved she hadn't been chosen for anything, but because we are angry that these girls have somehow been rewarded in some way, and that feels so wrong. On that note, I am definitely taking it up with them. Too many schools wave their anti-bullying flags like some kind of pastoral badge, yet fail to really understand the full extent of what it means and the impact it can have and how to properly address it when it goes so wrong.
Thanks everyone.

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Schoolmumm · 05/09/2019 10:26

And thanks for the book recommendation MrsT, much appreciate your comments

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Kazzyhoward · 05/09/2019 10:31

Why not send her to state?

Bullying is rife in some state schools too!

Sabrinasays · 05/09/2019 10:44

I’m so sorry your daughter is going through this. They sound like my group of ‘friends’ all through high school. I was forever being left out, the last to know things etc. like your daughter, I worked hard to keep my friends but I wish I’d realised who they really were. I still get upset about the awful things they did and I’m 30!

Please consider moving your daughter and let her have real friendships.
I’m not saying I’m massively effected by it now - I have a fantastic, happy life, but my school years were miserable. I’m not in touch with a single person from school now and I do sometimes feel sad for not having those long lasting friendships that so many others seem to have.

Lunchgate · 05/09/2019 10:49

I would be furious. I think you should tell them you’re making a formal complaint about bullying (I think that gets recorded on future inspection reports? which they won’t like) and set everything out. I can understand your daughter may not want to move schools but she can’t see she’s been bullied. Some short term pain moving schools would be worth the long term benefits. Good luck to you and your poor DD.

Sadnessandlight · 05/09/2019 10:55

We had a similar situation with bully being made a prefect. School said it was because they wanted to give the girl responsibility and help her grow up.
It was awful and I complained. Mostly because giving this type of bully a position of authority and control over the others was a recipe for disaster.

unwravellingagain · 05/09/2019 10:55

Firstly, I would pull her out.

We had a very similar situation in Year 5, but the school dealt with it much more robustly (the HT reduced several girls to tears in the process). Even so, you still can't make people be friends and her class wasn't big enough for her to find another group.

We thought it was sorted and that DD wanted to spend the last year and finish Yr6. With hindsight, she says she wishes we had taken her out before. And we wish she had too. So I would go and look at other schools ASAP.

The other thing that does help though is to find as many other activities as you can to reassure your DD that she can make friends. Guides, short theatre or sport courses, whatever she likes best, as that will really help before Yr 7.

DM me if you want details, as DD is now Yr8 so this wasn't so long ago.

unwravellingagain · 05/09/2019 10:57

Also the fact that they effectively promised your daughter a role and did not give her one suggest that the school are a pile of weasels and I would not trust them as far as I could throw them. That in itself is reason enough to move.

Where are you thinking about for next year? Do they have a feeder school.

Sadnessandlight · 05/09/2019 11:00

Would she be going private for secondary school? Are there any with a year six intake who could take her now, spend a year getting to know people before moving to secondary with them.

Zakana · 05/09/2019 11:21

My daughter and son went to a state school, had no problems at all al the wonderful primary school they were at, think semi rural area, smallish intake, they then went to a massive modern secondary school with over 1600 pupils, I am so glad that they could sort out any bullying themselves, I did tell them that if they didn’t sort it, I would! I think they were more worried about me going all guns blazing to their school, although they think it’s hilarious in a way (think in a oh well, she’s off again, dear old mum) but I can tell you bullying is rife in the school they went to, despite the so called anti bullying policy, all written for the benefit of OFSTED. I can only say I was a shell of myself after dealing with bullying on my own for years, and i ended up in an abusive relationship after leaving school, which I remained in until I was 20. I had no self confidence and no self esteem whatsoever, and looking back now, can see that my mental health was extremely bad. The bullying can definitely lead to longer term issues, I am living proof of that, I didn’t start really living my life until I was 21, and since then, haven’t looked back (until this post). The main thing to do is to work on building your daughters self worth, self confidence and self esteem, I did this with my kids and along with their self defence skills, they have never been bullied on a regular basis. They have both come up against it on several occasions, but have managed to sort it out and ensure the bullies didn’t come back for more. Hugs to you and your daughter OP my heart literally broke for her when I read your post, this is why I so vehemently boosted their self esteem etc from birth (easy in a Greek Cypriot household, everyone thinks they are fantastic and esteems are boosted regularly) and more importantly, to be able to defend themselves should the need arise.

smalalalalalala · 05/09/2019 11:28

Can I be the devil's advocate here and I think the school may have chosen the bullies on purpose. By giving them a role of protection over their fellow students, having them advocating anti-bullying policy etc.
In short, instead of telling them to not do that, making them tell other what to do, just a better way to tackle the problem.
I just hope it is being monitored closely as it could be a dangerous game. I'm appalled by the evil ingenuity of 6 year olds!

Zakana · 05/09/2019 11:31

@smalalalalalala this I think could be what the school is doing, I agree. Problem is I think it could backfire in the long term.