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School bullying..AIBU?

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Schoolmumm · 04/09/2019 23:31

DD is in year 6 at prep, a quiet thoughtful child, who genuinely likes everyone in her class, and has always been friendly with everyone. Without going into too much detail, we discovered dd was being bullied by a group of 3 girls, and it had been going on for some time. What has particularly troubled us, is the devious, abusive way in which they treating her, and how submissive she appeared to have become, purely to please them and try and keep their ‘friendship’.
They have done and said so many things, it would take a few pages to list.. telling her to meet them in various places at break time, then going elsewhere, leaving her wandering the school searching for them alone. Demanding she shared break time snacks under the pretence of giving her some of theirs, then leaving her with nothing. Getting her to do their homework for them in prep, ‘because she is clever’, but then laughing and telling her she is so dumb, when she handed it back. On a week long school trip before the summer holidays, they shared a room, and decided dd was not allowed to use the bathroom until they had all finished, by which time of course, it was always too late. She came home not having washed once the entire week, and seemed reluctant to question this in any way, as being wrong. She became extremely defensive when their behaviour was questioned in any way, and in the end it all came to a head, when she became too humiliated to go to school, because they had been laughing at the clothes she wore, and had humiliated her when they pretended they had decided to wear a ‘theme’ for a class party, which of course wasn’t true. The school became involved, parents were called in, and we have spent the summer trying to build up her confidence. After such a long time of being emotionally abused by these girls, it almost seemed as if she had become completely submissive, not to mention terribly confused. She thought they were her friends, but they were nothing but bullies. We were very close to pulling her out, but the school reassured us they would deal with it all robustly, should anything ever happen again, and year 6 will give dd great opportunities to develop her confidence with things like leadership roles etc etc
Back to school this week, and the leadership roles were announced; Head girl and heads of house for all three girls. Extolling their virtues as good role models for the school, and inviting us all to congratulate them on their success. Nearly every girl was given some kind of role, but our daughter has been completely excluded. If it wasn’t for the events that have happened, it truly would not bother me one jot. But given everything that has happened, we just feel so angry and disappointed. AIBU?

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Zakana · 05/09/2019 02:05

@crustycrab I ensured that neither of my kids would be bullied mercilessly the way I was and nothing was done about it, not by my mum nor the school. I ensured they went to Tae Kwondo from the age of 6/7 and that they could defend themselves if required. My daughter has SEN anyway and would have been a target had she not stood up for herself. I don’t regret anything and both my kids are polite and level headed, but will certainly stick up for themselves and cannot abide bullying, bigotry and nastiness generally in any forms. My son has a good job in MMM and my daughter works with horses. So yes, my daughter was excluded on around 10 occasions, and was finally given “early study leave” and just went back for her exams. It should be noted that most of the fights she got into were with lads not girls, because of bullying towards others, she simply was not prepared to sit there and watch it happen and do nothing about it. I am very proud of her, her values and her morals, I couldn’t give a shiny shit about her exclusions.

HoomanMoomin · 05/09/2019 02:10

I would be removing her. She might not be bothered now, but later she might end up feeling that you didn’t help her when she needed help.

Zakana · 05/09/2019 02:16

@HoomanMoomin exactly what you said, my mum did naff all about me being bullied and there were times back then when I felt I just couldn’t go on. I then ended up bunking school for the final two years and missing my exams just to avoid the bullies. I lived on my nerves for years afterwards.

Witchinaditch · 05/09/2019 07:04

Take her out of that toxic environment

Hederex · 05/09/2019 07:08

I would honestly take her out of the school without a moment's hesitation.
This choice shows it is a toxic environment which doesn't support the values your DD needs.
I think it will be less damaging to have her education slightly disrupted than to leave her there for another year.

Dumbosbumbo · 05/09/2019 07:13

You are absolutely not being unreasonable. That's shocking - what a horrible decision. I would definitely complain.

hettie · 05/09/2019 07:21

I think the culture of a school can tacitly give children a green light to behave horribly. DC's primary school was quite problematic re this. Obsessed wth it's stats and high achieving status. Academically high achieving kids were prised and rewarded above all (repeatedly) and effort was ignored in favour of attainment. Buy year 4 and above said kids obviously thought they were rather wonderful and too many of them became unpleasant and cruel (no focus what so ever on emotional intelligence). School poor at accepting/dealing with this... It seems finally to be changing with last DC BUt culture matters it really does. Plus it's quite hard to change... I'd move her (wish I'd moved at least one of mine(

sawyersfishbiscuits · 05/09/2019 07:24

I think that you should pull her out. The school has shown clearly that they have not listened to you and they are quite possibly trying to appease the other girls' parents.

Pull her out and tell them why.

I can only hope that they won't cross paths again in the next school! Your poor DD!

MsTSwift · 05/09/2019 07:46

Oh op I would have felt sick hearing that news. My god. I feel angry and I do t even know you!

This bitchiness needs to be sat on hard. Dds “friends” have these tendencies. Last term out of nowhere they all stood up and left dd sitting alone in the dinner hall. She was baffled came home in tears. She told them the next day they were not her friends and she spent time with the gentler boys. Now these girls desperate to have her back. She is the fun one in the group they are a dull little crowd. One year to go until secondary. Though in your shoes would consider something drastic

PeppermintSoda · 05/09/2019 07:48

Would it be possible to move her? The way the school have behaved as well as the nasty girls is awful.

lavenderbluedilly · 05/09/2019 07:56

I’d pull her out of the school. In the meantime, attend the anti-bullying workshop and use it as a platform to confront the head/teachers about the situation. There’s always question time at these events - stand up and ask is it school policy to reward bullies with leadership roles, and econsib what has happened in this case. Watch them bumble and bluff in front of an audience.

Will your DD be attending the same senior school as these girls ie is the prep a feeder for a local grammar?

PeppermintSoda · 05/09/2019 07:56

Nat6999 On the new year 7 starter thread last year, I noticed more parents with dc of both sexes reporting their child had been upset by bullying by boys than girls. Both psychological and physical. Your dc might not mind being pushed, punched or kicked, but many kids would be upset and scared by it

lavenderbluedilly · 05/09/2019 07:59

*explain

Goodnightjude1 · 05/09/2019 08:05

YANBU. That absolutely broke my heart reading that. My dd is of a similar age and I sometimes notice her desperately trying to please her friends and it upsets me so much. No way to the extent your daughter has suffered though.
I don’t really have any advice. I just wanted to say that I hope it all sorts itself out. Your poor little girl. I hope those girls and their parents are ashamed of themselves. 💐

Gazelda · 05/09/2019 08:05

I'd remove her from that school and make sure to write to the Head and Governors to explain that you have removed her because of the way the school has condoned bullying behaviour.

PeppermintSoda · 05/09/2019 08:07

Agree op should do that Gazelda

Yesmate · 05/09/2019 08:10

Please remove her. Show her you have her back when the school don’t.

MollyButton · 05/09/2019 08:11

I would pull her out of that school immediately - and do my best not to be penalised, because I would make it very clear if they didn't write off the fees I would be going public.

That action is showing that the school positively condones bullying.

As for your DD - get her some help (Red Balloon I think help bullied children). Home school her or get her into another school when you are ready.

Tonnerre · 05/09/2019 08:13

I'd be tempted to go to that workshop and put forward what has been happening to your child as a hypothetical situation and ask what the school would do to address that. In particular, ask what their approach might be in relation to the bullies and the victim if they were to reach a point where they would be eligible for positions of responsibility.

Minniemagoo · 05/09/2019 08:17

My DD was bullied in the first year of secondary, I moved her and she is much happier in her new school. However, 3 years later we are still dealing with the emotional impact of the bullying. I am shocked at how much it has affected her and honestly would tell anyone that the effects of bullying cannot be underestimated. We acted quite quickly once we bece aware of it but the damage was done and even though DD is way happier in her new school I do see how she is more reluctant/timid in her peer groups and has lost a lot of confidence.
In your shoes I would immediately remove my DD and let everyone know why.

MsTSwift · 05/09/2019 08:22

Shows what they think of you and your dd. You even went in about this! And you are paying them to treat your family like this. Sorry to swear but fuck them op.

RumpoleoftheBaileys · 05/09/2019 08:33

YANBU, at all. This is shocking behaviour from the school. I would move DD.

CrotchetyQuaver · 05/09/2019 08:50

I'd pull her out no question about it. Homeschool if necessary until you find a place elsewhere state or private. I'd complain like mad first and get the schools reasons/justification for rewarding the other girls behaviour in this way. Do they have an anti bullying policy? Surely they are making a mockery of it by giving them these "promotions" I would also make sure every parent in the year group knew why you had pulled her out and exactly what these nasty girls had done to make life hell for your daughter.
Have you already paid this terms fees? Can you cancel the cheque? I'd be tempted to let them sue. You've been strung along to stop you giving notice.

Dulra · 05/09/2019 09:00

I would be absolutely fuming. My dd was bullied last year not as bad as you describe but along the lines of emotional bullying too. The school dealt with it brilliantly and that is the only thing that stopped me my pulling my dd out.
I would be looking for a meeting with the head, the same head that reassured about how they were dealing with things and that it was not necessary to pull your daughter out. I would list all the things these girls did that you mention in your op and then ask her are these the attributes they look for in head girls and prefects? is this what she means when she is describing girls "Extolling their virtues as good role models for the school" and watch her squirm. The indirect message these appointments have sent your daughter is so damaging - bullies get rewarded victims get nothing. That school and head should be ashamed of themselves. Tbh if they don't have a good enough explanation for this I think I would have to take my daughter out

sprite25 · 05/09/2019 09:13

This makes me so angry, as someone who was bullied at school I can tell you, as others have that it can affect you for the rest of your life. I've always vowed I would never let anyone bully my children no matter how far I had to go, iff I were you I would arrange a meeting with the school (is there anyone who can also attend as a mediator if that's the word so it's not just you against them) I would let it be known how angry I was at the rewards for the bullies and ask what was going to be done about it, if nothing then I would take my child out of that school and without using any names make it public knowledge of why you had to remove your daughter from the school. I'm sure parents of potential new students would want to know if the school they were considering supported bully's rather then victims. I hope it all works out for your daughter, no child deserves to be bullied