Prince Harry - AIBU?

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Prince Harry saying "we can all do better" has really irked me- aibu?! He has every want and need satisfied while the majority of us and trying to do right by the environment whilst making ends meet. He is becoming very sanctimonious!

"I just think he is poorly advised."

But most of the general public could advise him!

What he's doing is so ridiculous it hardly needs a team of high flying advisors to tell him not to.

Perhaps he doesn't listen, or wants stuff spinning after the fact?

I think some people are above advice.

I remember reading an interview with a journalist who had interviewed Madonna. She said Madonna sat there saying really odd unfunny things and all these sycophants around her were roaring with laughter and hanging on her every word. Similarly I suppose no one dared tell Michael Jackson, "No, Michael, that's enough plastic surgery." (Or any other activity....)

Probably Harry has plenty of advice, but if someone wants to keep their job it's "Yep, Sir, on Instagram rightaway, Sir, thoroughly agree, Sir, and I'll book that flight too, Sir."

We all know there are richer people than us, leading very privileged lives and for the most part we accept it. But every now and again it irritates the fuck out of us to be lectured by the elite, who five minutes later do the very thing they are telling us not to do! It's the blatant lack of respect - they CBA to even pretend for a decent interval. Do as I say, not as I do attitude is getting on everyone's tits (See Emma Thompson too).

Now in all honesty, H&M are no worse overall than the rest of the RF when it comes to excess. If I was them I'd be most annoyed at the passive aggressive Flybe flight W&K took.

All I can add is that Prince Andrew must be kidding the ground in thanks for H&M this week. As annoying as they are, our real attention should be on what he's been up to and the company he keeps!

Any celebrity sponsoring a cause is a hypocrite.
Like big music stars getting together to release a song or give a concert to relieve hunger in Africa, all the while hanging on to their personal fortunes and putting money in tax havens.

If only non-hypocrites were allowed to speak up or sponsor causes, then nobody would be allowed.

I don't think Harry is any exception.

Harry said "we", including himself in the group that can (and should) do more, not sure why everybody is so much up in arms.
IMO, the message is what's important. He's not wrong. We can all do more. And none of us is doing enough.

Harry said "we", including himself in the group that can (and should) do more, not sure why everybody is so much up in arms.

Except Harry wont do more will he, he will continue to fly about in private jets and live his lavish lifestyle because he thinks its fine to do so as long as he pays to offset his carbon footprint....

That's why people are up in arms because to him its just meaningless words.

IMO, the message is what's important. He's not wrong. We can all do more. And none of us is doing enough.

We know the message is important. However, I'd wager the vast majority on this site do a damn sight more than he does to help tackle climate change.

All his hypocritical speech its going to do is make people think what's the point of me doing my bit when people like him continue to fly around in private jets.

I'd wager the vast majority on this site do a damn sight more than he does to help tackle climate change.

Probably, but everyone is focusing on the jets. Not good, of course, but people flying away for weekend breaks or, worse, hen dos, even in commercial flights, really can't speak much about it. Just an example.

We are all hypocrites in this respect, including many up in arms about Harry, I'm sure.

Probably, but everyone is focusing on the jets. Not good, of course, but people flying away for weekend breaks or, worse, hen dos, even in commercial flights, really can't speak much about it. Just an example.

But most people only fly 1 or 2 times a year any many don't fly at all. I don't see how flying on a commercial flight for a hen do or weekend away is at all comparable to flying in private jets multiple times a year. Especially when those flights are for the sole purpose of you to attend an event where you then stand and lecture people about climate change.

No one is being hypocritical and saying they don't do things which impact the environment but the vast majority are harming the environment way less than the likes of Harry.

That aside when I see Sally from the hen do standing up on a public platform lecturing the world about curbing their carbon footprint I'll say the same things about her but I doubt she would be crass enough to do so.

By your reasoning, none of us can speak up regarding the environment, then.

When we start from a position of privilege, it's hard to let go of those privileges. I don't know how much he has reduced, or not in his life. Like I don't know how any of the pps have reduced. Maybe he has reduced his footprint more than any of us, even though it's still higher than ours. But we don't know if it is indeed higher.

I'm happy when anyone speaks up for environmental issues as a collective.
Considering that we've all more or less ignored them, I'd rather have Harry speaking up, than nobody at all.
None of us is doing enough.

"None of us is doing enough."

What should we all be doing then that would constitute "enough"?

Probably, but everyone is focusing on the jets. Not good, of course, but people flying away for weekend breaks or, worse, hen dos, even in commercial flights, really can't speak much about it. Just an example.

Or baby showers.

Considering that we've all more or less ignored them, I'd rather have Harry speaking up, than nobody at all.

Its not the case that people are not speaking up though. Many people a lot more credible and knowledgeable on the subject are speaking up.

I'm not sure why you think people are ignoring them many people have made lots of positive changes to help tackle climate change because of what these people have said. I don't see why Harry feels the need to get on the bandwagon, no one is going to make changes based on him saying they should.

By your reasoning, none of us can speak up regarding the environment, then.

Of course people can speak up about the issue but if you are going to do so on a public platform don't you think you should have the credentials and understanding to do so.

My point was that Sally from the hen do and Harry have about equal knowledge and understanding of the issues and neither should be preaching that they know better than the rest of the world.

By your reasoning, none of us can speak up regarding the environment, then.

Are you trying to turn more people against H&M? I cannot imagine a more disingenuous and annoying way to try to defend them. Seriously.

Your logic is unless we all revert to a caveman lifestyle then Harry is above criticism. He is actively harming the environment. He has taken so many private jets in a short time span while trying to be an example for the public. He thinks he can offset this by getting Elton to pay around a 100 quid to some bullshit charity so more speakers can fly in and give themselves pats on the back. One huge bullshit circle jerk while causing more damage than the little person they preach to could ever dream of! By defending him, you are actually a part of the problem. He SHOULD be shamed. Meghan SHOULD be shamed. Then they can set an example of what not to do if they are ever going to even attempt to help this cause they claim to love so much.

Unless I missed it, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the other irritant over Harry lecturing us all - the fact that he comes from an institution which expects instant and unquestioning deference in all things

Whatever we all feel over "if anyone has the right to talk", at least with most folk you can query something they're doing or even disagree. I could be wrong of course and he might be a bastion of reasonableness, but does anyone really imagine an advisor could have such a conversation with Harry and expect to keep their job?

What should we all be doing then that would constitute "enough"?

Quite a lot. Much more than most of us are prepared to. Probably even little Greta.

At this point, we'd all need to go on the equivalent of a crash diet to be able to start reversing the damage. Don't kid yourselves.

By defending him, you are actually a part of the problem.

I'm not defending him. Or at least his actions.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't disregard the message because he shouldn't have dared to speak up.
Have any of you challenged your FB friends on their lifestyles when they post the very fashionable "save the environment" memes?

So many people on this thread think they are free from sin

TellItLikeItReallyIs

William and Kate will do exactly the same yet no one will care

Well to start with I don't see William and Kate launching eco-friendly tourist stuff. They also aren't as preachy as Harry & Meghan - it's the hypocrisy that gets me.

Then there probably is something reasonable to be said about William's safety as future king and his son George if they want to fly privately - leaving aside the point about they did go to Edinburgh on FlyBe.

But Harry & Meghan are really nobodies - he's far removed now from the line to the throne. Meghan is a two bit actress. Neither of them are qualified to lecture any of us on the environment. They have no more safety need to use a private jet than any celebrity.

If you want to lecturer to other people, you need to walk the walk.

I'm also really fed up with everyone banging on about how its racist. No it isn't. I dislike Meghan Markle because of her behaviour. If you are signing up to being a member of the Royal Family, you are accepting a public duty and public service. It's totally different from being a celebrity. Kate Middleton understands this.

The paradigm example is her baby shower. Why (when you have all that money) would you host a (very high profile & very expensive) baby shower in the USA. It's rather vile to be seeking gifts in that situation. If she really wanted to do that, she could have done it quietly and privately in someone's home. Instead she picks a central New York hotel and virtually has a red carpet walk of celebs going in and out. It's unpleasantly ostentatious and is totally avoidable celebrity look at me behaviour.

The whole Royal Family need to go once the Queen has died. She is a paeon of public service.

Hear hear.

You don't have to free from sin to spot a bit of hypocritical virtue signalling.

He's a tone deaf hypocrite. I'm staggered by just how wrong the content and tone of his messages are. In fact, it seems to be getting worse every time he opens his mouth or posts on Instagram.

It’s as if he is in a downward spiral and is powerless to prevent it. Clearly not true, however. Baffling.

I really liked him when he was serving in the army, then did so much for the Invictus Games. I felt both him and William were 'one of us'. I wish he'd just quietly go on supporting his causes, such as disabled veterans for whom he seems to really care about. Now he's gone a bit Bono.

I have to say I believe in a constitutional monarchy and I admire the Queen's sense of duty. However watching the young royals over the last couple of years has made me question it and wonder about their role in the future. Their role is surely not to pontificate about their pet causes. As po have said, the problem is that they grow up in a deferential environment and therefore, presumably, expect to be listened to without question.
Mind you, Charles has been a right pain for years. My df works in housing and can't stand the sight of him because of the crap he has said on the subject over the years. The royal family have got to be above controversy if they want to endure.

Harry telling us all to up our green credentials is like Andrew telling us not to be mates with paedophiles

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So what is he doing to help the planet then? What are his sacrifices?

It’s certainly not giving up flying off on holidays when he fancies, or Skyping for work instead of flying to a meeting. Or moving to a small eco friendly carbon neutral home, or going vegan. Or getting an electric car or a bike.

He has no idea really and shouldn’t lecture people. If he said ‘I compost my own poo - I’d recommend we all do our bit’ then I would be more inclined to listen.

Arf at him having "gone a bit Bono"

Yes and he's made the fatal mistake of lecturing rather than serving.