To find this unspeakably, unbearably cruel *trigger warning added by MNHQ: extremely distressing content*

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49551394

BlueEyedEagle

I can almost guarantee you his mum thinks she does and is 'devastated'

I remember reading about Baby Ps mum in prison she talked about grieving for her 'baby' and how he was taken from her etc etc.

There's no self awareness in these people.

she talked about grieving for her 'baby' and how he was taken from her etc etc.

Making it all about her. Where’s her discussion of what her baby suffered? Bet that’s not there. Bet it’s all about her feelings and how it’s impacted her.

You're 100% right there JoxerGoesToStuttgart it's all about them.

I find it interesting to remember how recently a poster on MN asked our opinions on the death penalty, and the opinion overall seemed to be against the reintroduction , however, in this case I would imagine a great many of us would string him up ourselves! The manslaughter verdict is wrong, and he needs to go down for life.

I don’t think the death penalty is a punishment at all. It just ends the perpetrators life. The victims and family have to go on living with the pain but the perpetrator gets freedom from that. No. Let them live a long and lonely life in prison with just their own fucked up thoughts for company. Constantly fearing an attack from other prisoners.

It's manslaughter because there was no planning involved. He killed him in a fit of spiteful and malicious rage. He thought he would hurt him but not kill him. IQ of 0.

To be honest I find his mother to be more culpable than he is. It wasn't his child, and although we're meant to be better than animals, he's a brute and essentially became like a male lion, get rid of the child that's not yours. It was up to her to show him that her child's life was precious.

I think she should get a higher sentence than him. At the end of the day her child turned to her for help and apparently after the first 'crush attempt' she slapped him for complaining. Then he died after the 2nd attempt.

She should be charged with murder. She repeatedly placed her son in danger and played roulette with his life.

I disagree with the death penalty purely because it’s the easy way out for them.

They may never feel remorse, but there are those, who once face life in prison, suddenly realise what they have done and it slowly chips away at their conscience.

They then have to fear other prisoners too as one thing many prisoners hate, are child killers and child molesters

There were 5 people in that car, did the others not get jail terms for letting it happen? Was it the Mothers feet he was sitting by?

It was his mother's feet.

He was the adopted son of a Tory MP I think. Presumably, he had a traumatic start in life. However, it does not excuse his behaviour in any way at all.
if anything positive comes out of this, it will be that it acts as a warning to mothers not to put a new boyfriend above their child's welfare.
The mother in this case should never be allowed to raise a child again.
I hope she has counselling to address the part she played in this and that eventually she feels remorse.
It won't happen though, she will build a picture in her head that she did nothing wrong.

I’m aghast that neither of the other two adult passengers intervened. I can say 100% that I would never sit there and watch that happen to a child no matter how scary the parents are. Shame on all of them!
I sincerely hope that poor lovely baby is at peace and the parents both spend the rest of their miserable lives in fear.

I think two tries with the driver's seat = murder. Maybe no premeditation for the first shift of his seat, but the second? Murder imo.

But you can tell by the way they strode around the shops making no concession to the child in their pace that this was a pair of hard-as-nails, pitiless brutes.

I don't think either of them should ever draw breath again outside of prison walls.